Subject:ACID UPGRADE 6.0C

Posted by: Sparrow

Date:11/11/2006 6:58:17 AM

Hey sony,

In the "old" days we would never leave a music computer on the web, your new
ACID 6.0C is asking for several updates that are not mentioned in the notes on
the upgrade?

Can you tell us what we need so that we can reserch these updates and test
them before we get in trouble?

sparrow

Subject:RE: ACID UPGRADE 6.0C

Reply by: pwppch

Date:11/11/2006 8:00:23 AM

Can you be specific as to what ACID is asking for that you are concerned about?

Peter

Subject:RE: ACID UPGRADE 6.0C

Reply by: nutrapuppy

Date:11/11/2006 12:44:34 PM

This must be a reference to the .NET 2 updates.

What does .NET do for the recent versions of ACID and VEGAS anyway?

Subject:RE: ACID UPGRADE 6.0C

Reply by: RMS

Date:11/11/2006 3:47:40 PM

If anyone's curious...

.NET has been the new MS programming model for several years now.
It's basically (and I mean basic here) a framework that sits on the operating system and allows programmers of almost any proggraming language to access the exact same interface for thier programming needs. It offers better interfaces then the 'Visual Studio' type of MS programming. (I know, all the C++ guys will argue here!). I guess I should say 'easier'.
So...
If the updated Framework offers some new or more optimized processing, and 6.0c requires those, then the .NET framework needs to be updated as well.

Hope this helps.
Dan

Subject:RE: ACID UPGRADE 6.0C

Reply by: Sparrow

Date:11/12/2006 4:06:03 AM

Thanks for the concern. Acid 6.0C requested microsoft windows installer and
netframe. All is been happy on our sound computer so we never did the
service pack 2, and countless microsoft upgrades and we do not put this
system on line at all.

sparrow

Subject:RE: ACID UPGRADE 6.0C

Reply by: drbam

Date:11/12/2006 5:20:59 AM

I agree with this concern. A stable system SHOULD NOT be required to install ANYTHING from MS when doing a bug fix update. If something like .NET is required in an update (not upgrade), Sony should supply it in their download and should be available to help users troubleshoot their system when problems result. If they are not willing to do this, then there should be a HUGE disclaimer posted with each new release stating something like:

"You may be required to install software from MS or other 3rd party developers in order for this software to function properly. Sony is not responsible for any damage that may occur to the user's system as a result of downloading/installing 3rd party software including those from MS. Therefore, it is recommended that users of SMS applications install antivirus and antispyware applications. Please note however that this may negatively effect system performance as well as the stability of SMS products. Have a nice day and thanks for your support."

Subject:RE: ACID UPGRADE 6.0C

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:11/12/2006 6:15:32 AM

> I agree with this concern. A stable system SHOULD NOT be required to install ANYTHING from MS when doing a bug fix update.

I disagree. Customers do not dictate what programming language and support platforms that developers can use any more the you can tell your car mechanic what tools he must use to work on your car. Sony is using Microsoft's latest technology for Windows. If you don't like Microsoft Windows, I suggest you move to Linux. Sometimes a bug fix requires that you move to a new level of platform software which addresses the bug and sometimes that move is beyond the developers control if they want to supply their customers with a fix.

> If something like .NET is required in an update (not upgrade), Sony should supply it in their download and should be available to help users troubleshoot their system when problems result.

No, no, no, no ,no! Then all of the customer who already have .net 2.0 will be complaining that the ACID download is huge and why do they have to download software they already have. (this is already the complaint with the SQL engine in the Media Manager which doubled the ACID download size) The component architecture of .net was designed to avoid having to download it again and again. It is a component of Windows and only needs to be download once. IMHO, packaging it with the ACID download would be a bad idea.

> If they are not willing to do this, then there should be a HUGE disclaimer posted with each new release stating something like:

Fair enough. They could warn you that the new release requires a .net upgrade but the fact still remains that .net is part of Windows and because it is large, Microsoft chose not to install it as a mandatory update so that only customers who need it have to download it.

~jr

Subject:RE: ACID UPGRADE 6.0C

Reply by: drbam

Date:11/12/2006 7:04:54 AM

jr: Thanks for your input, opinion and clarification on the MS and .net issue. However, your comments did not address the primary concern of the original post which was the need to put a stable DAW system online in order to properly update to AP6.0C Is this something you now recommend or is it something that we apparently are forced to adhere to if we want to stay current and up-to-date with our recording software? You know as well or better than anyone that this is a risky proposition for those who want to ensure reliability and performance in their systems. I have a second PC (with virus protection) that I use for downloading apps, updates, etc., which I then burn to disc for installation in studio system. My understanding is that I couldn't update Windows stuff like SP2, .NET, etc in this manner. Is this correct?

Subject:RE: ACID UPGRADE 6.0C

Reply by: H2000

Date:11/12/2006 10:21:47 AM

I haven't even attempted to install 6c yet. But when I installed Acid6, I downloaded the "redistributable" version of .net2.0. That is what you need to do if your DAW is not online.

Is there another update to the .net2.0 that 6c needs? I did not see any update on the MS page. My DAW isn't connected to the internet and I have no way of getting it to connect either. Is there a direct link to the downloadable updates that are needed?

Subject:RE: ACID UPGRADE 6.0C

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:11/12/2006 10:46:29 AM

> However, your comments did not address the primary concern of the original post which was the need to put a stable DAW system online in order to properly update to AP6.0C Is this something you now recommend or is it something that we apparently are forced to adhere to if we want to stay current and up-to-date with our recording software?

As H2000 said, you can download the redistributable version of .net framework 2.0 from Microsoft and install it on your off-line PC. No one is saying that you have to have your DAW on-line. What you do have to do is be more computer savvy. Since you cannot participate in automatic electronic delivery of updates, you have to manually go to the Microsoft site, select the options for IT Administrators, and download the stand-alone updates yourself.

> I have a second PC (with virus protection) that I use for downloading apps, updates, etc., which I then burn to disc for installation in studio system. My understanding is that I couldn't update Windows stuff like SP2, .NET, etc in this manner. Is this correct?

No this is not correct. As I said above, you have to go into the IT Administrator options on the Microsoft website and download the stand-alone installers. Administrators like to control what their customers get and usually block Microsoft updates (I know my company does this) so Microsoft supplies everything as complete downloads if you want them. In the case of SP2 I had Microsoft mail me a CD (maybe there was a $5 shipping charge I forget) and now I can use that on any stand-alone PC that I have.

~jr

Subject:RE: ACID UPGRADE 6.0C

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:11/12/2006 1:55:04 PM

Acid 6 needed .NET2 from the get-go. If .NET2 requires a maintenance update because of some bug, why would you insist on persisting with the flawed version ?

geoff