PIP Border Help

fixler wrote on 11/11/2006, 6:36 PM
I am attempting to create a sort of window effect...

I have laid two duplicate tracks over one another and have made the lower track b/w and blurred while the upper track is full color no blur. I am attempting to create a moving window of clear color by pan/crop the top track which works a charm.

Yet, I was hoping to lay a thin white border on the moving pan cropped window yet when I apply it it only show up on the full frame. I have tried turning the pre/post toggle but not helping and track motion just wont give me this sort of control...

The toggle only works when the pan/crop stretch to fill frame is on.

Any suggestions? Thanks.

Comments

PeterWright wrote on 11/11/2006, 7:03 PM
You want to maintain the frame size so Cookie Cutter is a better tool - this will just give you a "hole" to show the bottom colur thru the top B&W track.

You can add coloured border and feathering as required.
Terry Esslinger wrote on 11/11/2006, 7:03 PM
You want the upper track b&w and blurred.
The lower track color and unblurred
Choose trackfx and then cookie cutter.
It gives you a menu for shape and border or no border and size.
Then use 'cut away section' rather than 'cut away all but section'
You can then key frame the movement of the PiP
Hope this helps
bStro wrote on 11/11/2006, 7:10 PM
What kind of "control" is missing from track motion that you need? Seems to me it would be simplest to add the border FX to the upper track and use track motion to resize and position it.

Rob
PeterWright wrote on 11/11/2006, 8:22 PM
Rob, if I understood correctly, the "window" is intended to show a colour version of part of the same clip as it moves around or across, so both frames need to be the same size - Track Motion will resize the frame so it will not coincide with the bottom pic, whereas Cookie Cutter leaves the frame the same and just reveals whatever part is desired.
bStro wrote on 11/11/2006, 8:42 PM
Ah. The use of the term "PiP" may have thrown me off, as I think of Picture in Picture as having a full (but smaller) frame inside another full (but larger) frame. Like so.

If it's a window effect he wants, then yeah, I'll concur with the cookie cutter route. :)

Rob
fixler wrote on 11/12/2006, 3:43 PM
The only problem with cookie cutter is that it retains a shape aspect and cannot be adjusted as pan/crop can... hope that makes some sense?

Such a shame that pre/post toggle won't do it. Darn!

Thanks
//fixler
DavidSinger wrote on 11/12/2006, 4:34 PM
You (apparently to me) cannot modifiy the cookie shape keyframe to keyframe, but you can pick Circle or either Oval, then add-subract feather. You can grow-shrink a cookie, modify the feather, move it around. If the edges, even though feathered, are dynamic, you will get the eye's attention *and* fit the target inside the cookie, even if parts are "on the edge".
Grazie wrote on 11/12/2006, 11:01 PM
When I get into a fix not knowing what to use, I fall back on the Bezier Masking to punch-out a shape. All the points can be are key-framed.
PeterWright wrote on 11/12/2006, 11:17 PM
Yes, that crossed my mind Grazie, but the Bezier Mask doesn't have the same border function that Cookie Cutter does.
Grazie wrote on 11/12/2006, 11:35 PM
No, Peter it doesn't. .. but read on . . .

#1 - Insert "EMPTY" track above Target Event Media. T2 has Target media/event

#2 - T3 Solid Colour - Border of your COLOUR!! Or ANY bg, anything goes here!

#3 - Apply Bezier Mask to show T3 BG

.. here's the magic .. .

#4 - Make T2 and T3 kidz of T1

#5 - Now use T1's Parent motion - Voila!

You now have a Border, of any shape ( well mostly!) of any colour AND keyframable.

Thanks Peter for making me spelling it out. LOL!!

Would this help our friend?
PeterWright wrote on 11/13/2006, 12:15 AM
It may help many Grazie I can hear 'em all saving under "Bezier Mask Border" all over the place!

My impression of the original question was a "window" - so I imagined a simple rectangle, especially as they were trying Pan/Crop, or maybe another simple shape that Cookie Cutter could manage, along with built-in border.
Grazie wrote on 11/13/2006, 12:55 AM

Yes Peter you are correct - about the "or maybe another simple shape that Cookie Cutter could manage, along with built-in border". But then Vegas sometimes needs to be teased and cajoled to do the THINGS we want. And THAT is the amazing part of Vegas. The processes I outlined are straightforward, it's Vegas' flexibility that I'd like others to get a grip of?

And again, Peter, thanks for questioning me closely enough to make me "spell-out" the process. Often my enthusiasm for this software outpaces my typing.

GGman wrote on 11/19/2006, 11:29 AM
fixler,
try pan/crop to size your event anyway you want and then use Track Motion 2D Glow with the blur shutoff for your white border.

GG