Subject:Cinescore in ACID 6

Posted by: Spectralis

Date:9/22/2006 9:10:56 AM

Is Cinescore going to be a plugin in ACID 6 like it can be used in Vegas 7?

Subject:RE: Cinescore in ACID 6

Reply by: Ben 

Date:9/22/2006 9:50:44 AM

I certainly hope not. I thought ACID was now the <serious> DAW from Sony Madison.

No videographer's automatic music maker plugins, please.

Ben

Subject:RE: Cinescore in ACID 6

Reply by: Spectralis

Date:9/22/2006 3:20:22 PM

Have you tried it? I don't think it can be written off as an automatic music maker.

The alarm bells always ring when someone uses the word, 'serious' or 'pro', when referring to music apps. I think creating music is a combination of many techniques and Cinescore offers a very interesting way to generate ideas.

There are a lot of musicians using 'serious' software to produce mediocre, creatively bankrupt rubbish. Often they are buying in session musicians who are doing all the creative work. So when an app like Cinescore comes along to inject a little fun into the process of making music on a computer I welcome it.

Subject:RE: Cinescore in ACID 6

Reply by: Ben 

Date:9/22/2006 3:52:26 PM

>>> The alarm bells always ring when someone uses the word, 'serious' or 'pro', when referring to music apps.<<<

Fair enough. We obviously just think very differently; my alarm bells always ring when I see automatic music maker plugins being put into music apps.

Ben

Subject:RE: Cinescore in ACID 6

Reply by: Spectralis

Date:9/22/2006 5:16:14 PM

My point is that hardware users look down on software users, Protools users on Cubase users, Cubase users on ACID users and so it goes...

I've often had more fun in music messing about on so-called 'toys' with musicians of varying capabilities than being in the studio with a bunch of muso's.

I can't see the point of being anti-Cinescore in ACID apart from snobbery. :(

Subject:RE: Cinescore in ACID 6

Reply by: Ben 

Date:9/22/2006 5:53:45 PM

I understand your point. I'm just keen for ACID to continue the direction of becoming a full blown serious DAW. And I make no apologies for using the word serious - I and many others here make our livings from this software
(more Vegas in my case until ACID goes further down the Vegas road) and so its development direction is very important to us.

I'd much rather the guys at Madison finished the integration of Vegas' audio editing power into ACID, and further developed the routing and mixer, than spent time integrating Cinescore. That's all. And, yes, ACID has enough perception problems as it is in the market place - I really don't think adding this plugin would be helpful in that regard.

Ben

Subject:RE: Cinescore in ACID 6

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:9/23/2006 4:52:46 AM

I'm with Spectralis - I regard myself as a "serious" musician, but I think Sony have done a great job with Cinescore. Ok, it was intended as a means for video artists to quickly construct backing tracks, but I am all for abusing tools for other purposes - bring it on, I say!

Subject:RE: Cinescore in ACID 6

Reply by: RJ Fielder

Date:9/23/2006 6:28:40 AM

Personally I'd rather have ACID function as a plugin with Vegas, much as Cinescore does now.

Subject:RE: Cinescore in ACID 6

Reply by: drbam

Date:9/23/2006 6:56:17 AM

"Personally I'd rather have ACID function as a plugin with Vegas, much as Cinescore does now."

That's a great idea!! But. . . wouldn't Acid need to lose its hard found midi features? Anyway, I think its a moot point cause its obviously not going to happen given the overall direction these apps are headed.

Re: Cinescore, just follow the money – meaning that the REAL money right now clearly is in the consumer/home based video market. Frankly I'm suprised that Acid has continued to be developed to its current level. I thought that Sony would have just further developed the "super-duper looper" kinds of things, more apps like Cinescore, and continue offering Vegas VIDEO at various feature levels.

drbam

Subject:RE: Cinescore in ACID 6

Reply by: feign

Date:9/23/2006 8:09:11 AM

I'm an avid Acid user, and am no musician. I use Acid specifically for making video soundtracks and for nothing else. I find Acid to be the dream tool for this task. I tried Cinescore, and to be honest, I found it to be creatively restrictive, just one cut above a paint-by-numbers approach. It is clearly targeted at people who normally treat music as simply background noise (which, unfortunately, includes the majority of filmmakers, so Sony has the target market well figured out). Even though I am making soundtracks, I personally would find no attraction to having a Cinescore plugin in Acid. Keep it as a separate app for people who need a quick and easy backing track for their wedding videos.

Subject:RE: Cinescore in ACID 6

Reply by: Spectralis

Date:9/23/2006 12:45:36 PM

From my perspective Cinescore is quite instructional. It's not the music it makes but the ability to play with song structure that attracts me. That's why I think it is different from buying in stock music or using samples. There is an element of the session studio about it - session musicians are employed to add to thier musical ability and also introduce an element of improvisation to a song. I think Cinescore fullfills a similar role.

There also seems to be a contradiction in that some musicians seem quite happy to use samples in ACID but not Cinescore. I can't see the difference between using a sample of another musicians music and the music in Cinescore.

I also want more features in ACID. A better mixer would be useful. Track level meters, track FX for synths, more midi FX, synth track freeze etc. etc. Incorporating Cinescore into ACID isn't likely to preclude any of these developments.