Subject:AP6 versus Vegas re: audio and midi

Posted by: pHuNzOnE

Date:9/3/2006 12:40:23 PM

I have come across some posts here that imply that even for audio work Vegas has some features superior to AP6.

If this is incorrect: please disabuse me?

If this is correct: could someone please post (or post a link to) information indicating any superior audio or midi features in Vegas?

Thanks ...

DF

Subject:RE: AP6 versus Vegas re: audio and midi

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:9/3/2006 1:12:11 PM

Checkout the comparison in the knowledge base:

What does Vegas have which ACID does not?

Phase invert switches on tracks & events
Nondestructive normalize of events
Adjust event channels (left-only/right-only/combine/swap)
Manual timestretching of events on the timeline (by contrl+dragging event edges)
"Open copy in sound forge" from event context menu
Apply non-realtime audio effects to events
Show media-owned markers within events on the timeline
User-definable metronome sounds
Support for 5.1 effects on the master bus (currently only EQ & compression)

Audio/Video features:
Event-owned take lists
Event grouping
Event locking
Edit details window (editable spreadsheet view of detailed info on events & markers)
Export projects to EDL text files
Export projects to AAF
Advanced "Auto Ripple" editing mode
Scripting support
Better management of project-wide media pool (Project Media window)

What does ACID Pro 6.0 software have which Vegas does not?
Sections
MIDI support
Soft synth support
Rewire support
Beatmapper (for finding exact tempo of long files)
Chopper (Vegas has its Trimmer, which is similar, but has none of the measure/beat/tick-oriented features which make the chopper useful for quick & easy remix applications)
Groove Mapping
Folder Tracks
Support for alternate time signatures
Support for tempo changes
Lots of ACID loop features
Vegas does not let you edit ACID stretch properties
Loops in Vegas don't respond to changes to the project tempo (in Vegas the project tempo is used only for calculating the measures & beats ruler—it doesn't affect how the audio is played)
ACID allows you to set a project key, which will cause any ACIDized loops with a defined key to match their pitch to. In Vegas you can adjust the pitch of ACIDized loops, but you must do it manually).

And god knows what else in version 7. That list is missing the fact that you can't drag a audio file between tracks...must copy/paste. A biggie for me are the little things about BOTH apps that haven't been updated...ie:lame audio plugin window...delete ALL plugins leaves a useless blank window that just gets in the way.

I've made my concerns known to sony as should everyone else. Acid 6 was a strong foundation to build off of. I have great expectations of version 7.

HTH.

Ed.

Edit:

• Broadcast Wave Format support: Vegas 7 software supports industry standard Broadcast Wave Format. Multichannel Broadcast Wave Format files can be opened and edited like any other audio file, or can be imported and auto-arranged on the Vegas timeline based on the file timestamp metadata

Subject:RE: AP6 versus Vegas re: audio and midi

Reply by: pHuNzOnE

Date:9/3/2006 1:31:27 PM

Thanks for your quick response.

So ... there are a 'few' audio features in Vegas that are not in AP6 .... the first you mention, e.g. non-destructive normalization on events, but overwhelmingly more audio features in AP6, e.g., beatmapping, key frames, etc., than in Vegas.

And no midi in Vegas.

Thanks

Subject:RE: AP6 versus Vegas re: audio and midi

Reply by: drbam

Date:9/4/2006 6:34:34 AM

Depending on your audio workflow and needs, either app could be the better choice. Although on the surface AP6 "appears" to have more audio features, many *audio only* users of Vegas have not switched over to AP6 because it simply doesn't have some of the mandatory features that Vegas users rely on. For me, this means a level of editing power and speed that AP6 doesn't come close to in its present version. Perhaps AP will get there at some point, but currently it falls short in a several areas. Therefore, I still need to use both apps, and as has been the case for several years, all of my projects end up in Vegas for final mixing and editing. That being said, if you need midi, and/or loop based construction, then AP6 is the only choice.

Subject:RE: AP6 versus Vegas re: audio and midi

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:9/4/2006 9:26:48 AM

Just wanted to add that ACID Pro excels in the creative construction (or destruction, if you'd like) of musical (or general audio bed) projects. Vegas excels in the NLE video and mixing departments.

I'm pretty sure at some point we'll see some basic tasks (such as dragging a clip/event from one track to another) spill over from Vegas. It's just that ACID is slowly breaking out from its former "one medium per track" paradigm, which isn't easy. (I had to completely change the way I record—for the better, of course—when ACID went multitrack.)

Iacobus

Subject:RE: AP6 versus Vegas re: audio and midi

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:9/4/2006 10:09:35 AM

My primary audio workflow consists of recording and editing live performances and producing CDs for the artists. For what i do, ACID would be a pain in the butt. Vegas handles this with great ease.

The distinction i've always used is that if you're editing music use Vegas, if you're creating music use ACID. That line is blurring a lot as the new versions come out, but it's still basically true.

Subject:RE: AP6 versus Vegas re: audio and midi

Reply by: thenoizzbox

Date:9/4/2006 10:22:05 AM

> The distinction i've always used is that if you're editing music use Vegas, if
> you're creating music use ACID. That line is blurring a lot as the new
> versions come out, but it's still basically true.

For me it's not as simple as that because I use quite a bit of MIDI/Soft Synths and Vegas does not support MIDI. Even when mixing I prefer to leave my MIDI track as MIDI and not render them as I may try different drum sounds in DR-008 at any stage of the process for example. I need to keep the flexibility of MIDI and soft synths all the way through.

Subject:RE: AP6 versus Vegas re: audio and midi

Reply by: drbam

Date:9/4/2006 4:47:27 PM

"I need to keep the flexibility of MIDI and soft synths all the way through."

In that case, Vegas is not even a consideration. Pretty simple decision. . .

Subject:RE: AP6 versus Vegas re: audio and midi

Reply by: thenoizzbox

Date:9/4/2006 6:14:55 PM

>In that case, Vegas is not even a consideration. Pretty simple decision. . .

Yeah, that was my point :-)

For me Acid is it.

Subject:RE: AP6 versus Vegas re: audio and midi

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:9/4/2006 9:35:19 PM

Right, and despite the fact that you are doing some editing steps at the end, your workflow falls much more under the "creating music" category. So ... ACID it is.