Subject:FX Bus while Tracking BUG?

Posted by: StrobeAlific

Date:6/4/2006 9:51:20 PM

I upgraded to 6.0a and had my first session with the update today. When recording, the FX Bus would not work (pass signal) during record. Playback was fine.

To fix my problem, I inserted the effect directly on the track I was recording.

Did I find a new bug, did it already exist, or is this not supposed to work as it does in Vegas?

Subject:RE: FX Bus while Tracking BUG?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:6/5/2006 8:31:19 AM

What was the plugin?

Peter

Subject:RE: FX Bus while Tracking BUG?

Reply by: StrobeAlific

Date:6/6/2006 1:48:34 PM

Sony Reverb, or any...

Subject:RE: FX Bus while Tracking BUG?

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:6/6/2006 6:50:37 PM

What do you mean by "*the* FX bus"? Did you add an assignable effect and then send signal to that effect using the FX slider on the tracks? This works fine for me.

Subject:RE: FX Bus while Tracking BUG?

Reply by: StrobeAlific

Date:6/6/2006 7:16:25 PM

Yes. It works just fine when doing playback, but does not give me the effect when I have record enabled.

Subject:RE: FX Bus while Tracking BUG?

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:6/6/2006 10:38:10 PM

"Yes. It works just fine when doing playback, but does not give me the effect when I have record enabled."

Aha!

What exactly did you expect to happen when you are recording? You wouldn't expect to have any FX recorded to the track would you? After all, the FX out is going to the master bus, not the track? And why would you want a global effect to be recordable??

Subject:RE: FX Bus while Tracking BUG?

Reply by: StrobeAlific

Date:6/7/2006 7:54:22 AM

No. You aren't understanding. I'm not wanting or trying to get effects on the track...just have reverb on the output while recording when someone is singing for monitoring purposes. This works just perfectly in Vegas and I suspect it should here in Acid, too.

Subject:RE: FX Bus while Tracking BUG?

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:6/7/2006 10:34:18 AM

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I'm not sure I understand. Input monitoring is available at the track level as you've noticed. It should work fine for what you want. Why do you want it at the bus level?

Iacobus

Subject:RE: FX Bus while Tracking BUG?

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:6/7/2006 3:54:29 PM

"No. You aren't understanding. I'm not wanting or trying to get effects on the track...just have reverb on the output while recording when someone is singing for monitoring purposes. This works just perfectly in Vegas and I suspect it should here in Acid, too."

Ok, I think I have got it. I would not expect to hear the reverb when you are recording using input monitoring. I don't have Vegas, so I don't know what it does, but it seems counter-intuitive.

Out of interest, if you put in a track effect in Acid, do you hear the effect while monitoring but it doesn't get recorded?

What happens if you create a separate monitor mix using a bus sent to a couple of spare outputs on your soundcard? That's the way I would normally set up a performer foldback mix.

Subject:RE: FX Bus while Tracking BUG?

Reply by: StrobeAlific

Date:6/7/2006 11:14:29 PM

mD,
I want the effect at the buss "level" because I am running several tracks of vocals using the same effect. I don't want each track running it's own instance of a paticular effect to bog down the processor.

jumbuk,
Yes, it works fine that way in Vegas...which I don't understand why it doesn't and why I think it is a bug.

You are correct that the effect doesn't get recorded while monitoring, however the reason I want this workflow is because of reasons stated above to mD. Also, it can get very confusing when you have FX on tracks and Busses.

When I work in the analog world...I don't insert an effect on an individual channel, only eq, compression, gate, etc. I have seperate aux sends and returns. I'm just trying to keep it relative to analog world.

I've done the output via a seperate mix to an external processor, but it adds a bit of latency. Beside that, why take it out of the computer when the goal is to do as much inside as possible?

Make sense?

Subject:RE: FX Bus while Tracking BUG?

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:6/8/2006 6:41:35 AM

"I've done the output via a seperate mix to an external processor, but it adds a bit of latency. Beside that, why take it out of the computer when the goal is to do as much inside as possible?"

I meant via an additional bus with a reverb on it in Acid (no external processor) then out to your monitor headphones via a separate pair of outputs. Should be no more latency than the main outputs.

Subject:RE: FX Bus while Tracking BUG?

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:6/8/2006 11:33:05 AM

Are you trying to record several vocals at once?

If you're trying to record just one vocal with the reverb, you could enable input monitoring for that track, then route the other vocal tracks to the effects bus (with reverb). This shouldn't put a hit on your system at all (according to your system specs).

It's not a bug because ACID's manual and online help specifically mention input monitoring at the track level.

ACID took a huge leap this time around when it more or less adapted some of the features of Vegas. I imagine getting those features in there wasn't an easy task. Some things just couldn't make it this time around.

For example, you can drag events between tracks in Vegas to your heart's content, but you can't do that in ACID...yet. (You can copy and paste for now though.)

Iacobus