Subject:Fed up with Acid 6

Posted by: Djipy

Date:5/7/2006 2:24:34 AM

* Too many bugs in the first release (Sony team should be ashamed to sell it as is)

* Beta testers have not worked in a proper way (too many bugs left that should have been discovered with a minimum serious testing)

* Some features of previous versions of Acid have disappeared :
- multiple channels in a MIDI track now impossible
- expression curve of the piano roll not handled automatically when the track is played
- no more support for OPT plug-ins

* Some wrong technical features : stupid method of joining audio clips

* No approximate time for the first update

* Peter, in a bad mood, probably won't answer this forum : bugs reported here are likely to be forgotten

* Despite what people say, the MIDI capabilities in Acid Pro 6 are still far below the tools released in the early 80's on the Atari ST (especially EditTrack by Hybrid Arts, a huge and bug-free piece of software). Maybe we'll have to wait for Acid 12.0 to get that power again...

* Acid 6 does not deserve its "Pro" label

This is my very last post in this forum because I'm really fed up with Acid Pro 6.
Goodbye.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: busterkeaton

Date:5/7/2006 2:48:51 AM

Have fun working with your Atari ST.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: Ranger Bob

Date:5/7/2006 4:03:08 AM

Mr. Djipy, you are so right about the obvious lack of testing. There are an embarrassing amount of bugs and mistakes in design that most definitely would've been discovered with any kind of beta testing program. I seriously wonder about the posts I've read proclaiming how perfect this program is and that we're just a bunch of malcontents who like to rant and rave. The first hour I had the program I found several bugs. I posted one about the inability to time select single tracks and copy & paste only the selected area. Immediately I had the usual mindless replies quoting parts of the manual. Anyway, to make a long story even longer, I got an e-mail from a Sony tech who wanted details. I gave him the details, he got back immediately to me saying it was a serious design flaw in the copy and paste relating to the time selection tool. A couple of hours later he e-mailed me relating to another post I made regarding beatmapping errors. He was very determined to find al the bugs and have them fixed. A couple of days ago he notified me that the time selection tool had been corrected, a day later he e-mailed me saying they had gotten to the bottom of the beatmapping problems. Cheer up! These guys are definitely determined to get it right this time. Once these bugs are fixed, Acid Pro 6 will be one major league program. I love Acid Pro and just want it to be is good as it should be.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:5/7/2006 4:14:51 AM

"You will be missed"...Quote from Clerks. ;)

Djipy...Your arguement is valid though your many of your points are way off the mark. Sorry but due to an NDA I can't even go into any discussion about it.

Again the reality is NO AUDIO APP IS READY FOR SERIOUS WORK DURING AN INITIAL RELEASE!!! Do I have to repeat myself?

Not Protools/cubase/samplitude/sonar/nuendo/live/traction...NOBODY...get the point?

I wish this was different but it's not. When you find the app that is "fully featured" and runs perfect on 100% of peoples systems could you PLEASE come back here and let us know. Seriously.

IMHO...

The midi problems your having have been reported yes? Any response from someone from sony? With all the midi enhancements how can you even begin to cry about not having OPT support?

How would you like to join to completely different clips?

This one really makes me laugh...

Any and EVERY company that sets a release date for a update and misses it gets lynched 100X more than just keeping quiet. This happened in the sonic foundry days...to Tc powercore...to steinberg...to native instruments for like all their apps...the list goes on. Nobody wants to do this anymore of fear of being burned...again.

"bugs reported here are likely to be forgotten"---are you just saying this to be funny or are you high???

I think you need to take a breath/count to ten and relax. Things will only get better. If you don't want to come back that is obviously your choice. But be prepared to be miserable[spelling?] for good with that expectation.

I wish you well bro. Take care.

Ed.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: alltheseworlds

Date:5/7/2006 4:31:33 AM

Djipy obviously wasn't an Acid user for release 4 or 5 or he would have long ago died of a massive stress-induced stroke. AP6 is like a divinely-inspired gift of audio purity compared with earlier "point-zero" releases. And it's stacks up rather well against other companies main releases too.

Which host are you moving to Ipy ?

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: billybk

Date:5/7/2006 5:37:38 AM

This is my very last post in this forum because I'm really fed up with Acid Pro 6.
Goodbye.


Which "bug free" host are you moving to. I think we all could use a good laugh, because there ain't none, especially in a first version release. You look at SONAR, SX , Nuendo, Live, Samplitude, Pro Tools, all the so-called, "Pro" apps have pages of bug fixes in their first update. Many of these bugs could be considered to be, from a lack of serious testing. Hell, they are all still releasing bug fix updates 6-10 months after their last major version releases (SONAR 5.2, SX 3.2.1.1153, Nuendo 3.2.1.1153, Live 5.2, Samplitude 8.3, Pro-Tools 7.1). Which of these "bug free" host apps will you be moving to, Ableton Live? Not to pick on Live, because all the competing host apps share similar woes, but even with Ableton's much publicized, "Public Beta Testing" program, they are still releasing bug fixes updates 10 months after Live 5's official release:

Bug fixes:
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[01] Bug: MIDI sync in delay preference*
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Platform: All

The value for the MIDI sync delay would not be stored within the preferences but reset to 0 at each start of Live.

Status: Fixed


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[02] Bug: Deleting a "soloed" track*
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Platform: All

Deleting s track with solo on could leave the Live set in solo state.

Status: Fixed


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[03] Bug: "Stucking" Midi Notes*
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Platform: All

An armed MIDI track with PDC enabled could result in "stucking" MIDI notes.

Status: Fixed


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[04] Bug: Sample rate change with BeatRepeat*
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Platform: All

Live could crash when the sample rate would be changed to a lower value after dragging in a BeatRepeat device.
Same could happen when rendering a Live set containing a BeatRepeat device with a lower sample rate as the current one.

Status: Fixed


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[05] Bug: Switching to device chain*
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Platform: All

Depending on the structure of Live set switching to a track's device chain via the miniaturized device display in the 'Track View Selector' would not properly work.

Status: Fixed


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[06] Bug: MIDI foot-pedal switch
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Platform: All

Learning a MIDI foot-pedal switch to Transport Play, Stop or Tap Tempo did not work properly.

Status: Fixed


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[07] Bug: 'Bank' chooser for MIDI clips
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Platform: All

If the 'Bank' chooser of a MIDI clip (in the Notes section of the clip properties) would be set to 'Double Program Change' the graphical update of this chooser would not work properly when selecting MIDI clips with other 'Bank' chooser settings.

Status: Fixed


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[08] Bug: MIDI learn 'Clip Scrub Control'
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Platform: All

When a relative MIDI controller would be learned to the 'Clip Scrub Control' in of the audio clip property view scrubbing would not work properly for fast MIDI controller changes.

Status: Fixed


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[09] Bug: Freezing session clips
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Platform: All

Freezing session clips which have a significant reverb (or other effect based) tail at their loop jump could have an audible click in the freezed audio file.

Status: Fixed


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[10] Bug: Relocate Sample
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Platform: All

Opening a Live which references an mp3 file and its appropriate .asd file. Moving this mp3 file .asd file to another location via the Explorer (Win) or Finder (Mac) would let appear the sample locate dialog in Live. After selecting the new location of the mp3 file Live would crash.

Status: Fixed


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[11] Bug: Mackie Control Display
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Platform: All

The Mackie Controls display was sometimes not correctly updated, when moving or editing devices in Live, while editing them on the Mackie Control.

Status: Fixed


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[12] Bug: 'Complex' warp mode
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Platform: All

Playing an audio clip in 'Complex' warp mode at 192kHz would result in a crash.

Status: Fixed


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[13] Bug: Prehear MIDI file
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Platform: All

Under certain circumstances preharing a corrupt standard MIDI file within the Live browser could result in a crash.

Status: Fixed


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[14] Bug: Deactivate MIDI clips
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Platform: All

In the arranger view "Deactivate" MIDI clips would crash when a part of a return track would be included in the selection.

Status: Fixed


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[15] Bug: Remote-controlling Resonator
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Platform: All

Remote-controlling the "Note" parameter of the Resonator would lead to value between semitones.

Status: Fixed


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[16] Bug: Uneven clip loop length
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Platform: All

It would be possible to change the loop settings of a clip by one sample. This could result in uneven (orange marked) loop position.

Status: Fixed


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[17] Bug: Unlocking manually
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Platform: All

Live could crash after an doing an unlock manually.

Status: Fixed


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[18] Bug: Missing frozen samples
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Platform: All

A save self-contained of a Live set containing frozen tracks could result in the lost of the corresponding frozen samples for other Live sets.

Status: Fixed


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[19] Bug: VST window resizing
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Platform: All

The resizing of VST 2.4 plug-in windows would not work properly.

Status: Fixed


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[20] Bug: Fire scene via KEY remote
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Platform: All

Firing a scene containing clips in 'Repeat' Launch Mode would not work properly when doing via KEY remote.

Status: Fixed


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[21] Bug: Jumping waveform in MP3 files*
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Platform: Win only

Depending on the amount of MP3 files decoded at the same time, the length of the MP3 files and the computer speed the waveforms of the same MP3 files could be different.

Status: Fixed


Why weren't these bugs ever discovered and fixed before 5.0's release last Summer. Some could just as easily argue that these bugs should have been obvious and fixed if they had done "proper" beta testing. Why did it take 10 months?

Your bitching and complaining about ACID Pro 6, before it even has a chance to get out the first update. It sounds to me like you just have an axe to grind.

Having used every single ACID Pro version, since version 1.0, this has been one of the best releases, in a long time. Is it perfect, of course not, there are still some things that can be improved, for version 7 and there are some flaws and bugs that need to be ironed out, in future ACID Pro 6 updates. Having said that, there are no show stopping bugs that keep me from actively using it to create, arrange and render my projects.

I hope you find that elusive "bug free" host app so you can finally start making music again.

Cheers,

Billy Buck

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: liquid

Date:5/7/2006 7:58:43 AM

I bought acid 6 online...I guess I should have read up here. I've used acid for years and had all kinds of problems. However, my wishful thinking of what could be always kept me coming back. In concept, there is nothing better than acid, but I've always been disapointed with its application. I just assumed that at version 6 they got their shiit together so I bought it. I hope to god that I don't have the problems you guys are mentioning. I love acid, but hate the crashing:-(

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: liquid

Date:5/7/2006 8:01:36 AM

I use reason and it's never crashed once.. there are minor minor bugs, but nade serious.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: liquid

Date:5/7/2006 9:27:50 AM

i've read all the posts now and I guess I got ahead of myself a little...I should be getting it tomorrow and I'll check it out asap and post my Opinion. I just wish that acid would work perfect! There is no other program (other than reason) that is this good. I just want to work in acid and nothing else....

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: dabb

Date:5/7/2006 10:28:15 AM

Well I bought Acid 3,4 and 5 wishing each time that the bugs would be kept to a minimum. I was very disapointed with 4 and 5 . I mean I know there is no perfect software, but to have major problems installing an application should be the first clue. I have never owned software that crashes more than Acid. So after version 5's disapointment I gave Ableton Live 5 a try, well voila the perfect host for me. After using live for months not even one crash. I'm still very interested in Acid and follow this group closely in anticipation that this version is usable with my present setup. I have installed the demo this weekend. I also had to empty my vsti and vst folder for the installation then did a vsti scan from within Acid again! Anyway so far so good, I like the midi implementation the most and some other very nice additions. Time will tell....

dabb

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: liquid

Date:5/7/2006 10:45:25 AM

In all honesty, No software I have every owned crashed more often than acid. I have 5 different very powerful computers over the years, with various processors and combinations of ram and harddrives and it's always been the same old shitt. It's too bad, cause like I said before, I love acid....and still use it despite the problems. But I'm dreaming of the day when it's better. I'd be more than happy to pay a $1000 for it if it worked as well as reason.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: randygo

Date:5/7/2006 10:47:22 AM

>Despite what people say, the MIDI capabilities in Acid Pro 6 are still far below the
>tools released in the early 80's on the Atari ST (especially EditTrack by Hybrid Arts, a
>huge and bug-free piece of software

I might still have EditTrack somewhere out in the garage, if I can find it I will gladly trade you for your Acid Pro 6.0 license.

Please let us know when you find a major release of a host that is feature-complete and totally and bug-free.

Cheers,

Randy

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: Spectralis

Date:5/7/2006 11:08:41 AM

I can understand that those having problems with A6 will be annoyed about this but A6 is a huge improvement feature wise on A5. With so many different systems out there I can imagine that it will take a few months for Sony to collate and repair any bugs. I think it's only fair to give them a bit more time.

A6 works reasonably well for me. It crashes a bit more than A5 (which never crashed at all except in the begining with the problem registering VST's.)

Unless we are specific about the problems we're having and report them to Sony then they'll remain unfixed. Generalised comments that rubbish A6 don't solve the problem. ACID is my host of preference over all the others so I'd rather stick with it and encourage improvements. I urge others to do the same. This strategy has already borne fruit with the release of A6.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: liquid

Date:5/7/2006 11:27:43 AM

I'm still using acid 4 and I'm not trying to bash acid..in fact I love it, it just crashes a lot for no apparent reason. I'll have acid 6 tomorrow and get busy and post my overall comments. I have been with acid since the start.
I think it's only fair to give them some time too, and from what I can tell they are aware and communicative and do support their software as well as anyone else.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: Tobias7000

Date:5/7/2006 12:20:25 PM

"I think you need to take a breath/count to ten and relax. Things will only get better. If you don't want to come back that is obviously your choice. But be prepared to be miserable[spelling?] for good with that expectation."

Amen.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: kbruff

Date:5/8/2006 4:44:42 AM

Two applications which are so easily ignored (I dont know - but the usual partial usership could explain why), are incredibly stable and just work with super ease ---

1. FLStudio
2. TRAKTION

I just cant stop using these two tools when I get fed up with the nuances of other programs!

I will wait on firing up my AP6 -- I have read the manual and when the release of patch is done -- then I will go ahead and try using it.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: drbam

Date:5/8/2006 5:43:59 AM

"I will wait on firing up my AP6 -- I have read the manual and when the release of patch is done -- then I will go ahead and try using it."

Yes, this is my sanity preserving stragegy. Sometimes I wait till update b or c or whatever is needed before installing. And on occasion, the investment gamble is simply chalked up as a loss (as in Vegas 4 for me). Treating the software investment as a "gamble" has helped me to be a bit more philosophical about the entire bug issue – sometimes I win – sometimes I lose.

So related to this, obviously the "download the demo" advise is useless if one wants to take advantage of an upgrade special. Since its been acknowledged here by just about everyone who should know that initial version releases are basically beta quality and full of problems, how could I or anyone else make an informed decision about the product from the download (initial version). There is NO guarantee that the bugs will be fixed in any particular version. Vegas 6 and Sound Forge 8 are both on update "d" and still have problems that were present in the initial release. Users will now most likely have to upgrade to the next versions for these to be addressed and its still always a gamble (Sony rarely goes past update "d").

One final comment in this early morning rant: Although the inherent buggy-ness of new versions is just a fact of life, I also think this helps encouage some people to get a cracked version. The justification being "why should I pay full price for something that's broken?" I would imagine that Sony and other developers factor this in, but who knows???

drbam

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: alltheseworlds

Date:5/8/2006 7:18:05 AM

kbruff:

The release of FL Studio 6 was an absolute fiasco. There was storm of howls on the FL site and (as you probably know) Imageline then rushed out a series of bug fixes while simultaneously denying there was anything wrong.

FL is now up to version 6.08 (the numbers don't include several "beta fixes" which were also released). It is only at the .08 release that it's generally considered stable.

I know less about Traktion except that the huge antcipation for v2 was definitely not realized in fact and that host's bubble seems to have long ago burst.

Anyway, this is just to keep things in perspective. AP6 is, imho, a very robust and stable release.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: deusx

Date:5/8/2006 7:53:38 AM

I don't know what to tell you.

I use Vegas6 ( had all of the previous versions ), Sound Forge8, Acid 5 and I installed 6 but haven't had time to play much with it.

Update to Acid5c screwed up my registrations, so I had to re-register everything, but other than that never had a single crash or problem with any of these apps. I do not use a bunch of VST plugins ( I use hardware effects ). , and except Vegas I do not use them as much as I used to, so maybe that is one of the reasons.
Anoother reason could be chipsets and other parts on your motherboards. It is pretty well known that nforce3 works better with a lot of soundcards than newer nforce4 chipsets. I'm still on those older chips, older drivers, and earlier versions of Athlon64s ( if it isn't broken , don't fix it, as they say )

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: MacMoney

Date:5/8/2006 8:55:30 AM

>This is my very last post in this forum because I'm really fed up with Acid Pro 6.
Goodbye

.............Thank GOD!

Tony Mac

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: kbruff

Date:5/8/2006 9:17:16 AM

Well FL6 was released with some bugs --- but the big and major observation -- was that the FL team addressed them very well and they continue to do so, the forums here do not have enough direct participation from Sony.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: dabb

Date:5/8/2006 9:30:20 AM

Why is everything with Sony a freaking mystery. Just the fact that this forum is used by paying customers and is moderated by Sony people surely they can make note of the bugs that are reported. Where is a listing of the present reported bugs? What is the expected release date for a bug fix?

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: billybk

Date:5/8/2006 11:08:47 AM

Where is a listing of the present reported bugs?

Reported bugs or confirmed bugs, there is a a big difference? Just because someone posts that such and such is a bug, does not in and of itself make it one. Many times it could be user error (RTFM), buggy drivers, buggy plugins, corrupted ACID install an unstable OS (viruses) or even a failing computer (bad memory, hard drive etc).
Until it can be verified and reliably reproduced it is not an "official" bug. I have seen people report a bug, on this forum, when in fact, it was working correctly, just not as they expected or wanted it to.
I visit many user forums and I don't recall (at least the ones I visit), the developers ever posting an on going, public bug list. I've never seen Cakewalk or Steinberg do that.




What is the expected release date for a bug fix?


Updates are released when they are ready and not on some pre-defined schedule. Again, developers do not like to get themselves boxed into a corner and not being able to deliver, on time. I remember three years ago, Universal Audio publicly announced a firm release date, for their UAD-1 v3.1 update, at Winter NAMM 2003. Which was to include the much anticipated and free DreamVerb plugin. They originally announced a release date of March 31st 2003 and everybody was posting, about the update and getting their hands, on the DreamVerb. The UAD-1 forum was, very active, as the weeks and days passed and then peaked, in a frenzy, as the hours ticked by, until midnight March 31st. Well, that day came and went and not a word. Then UA said it would be ready April 1st and then that came and went. Then it was announced April 21st, then May 15th, well you can understand, by this time, we had a mob mentality and just about the entire UAD-1 user community wanted to hang UA, by the nearest lamp post. It was a real mess and it took a while before UA got it's reputation back. We finally got the update in June. From that time on, UA only announces updates when they are ready to release or by some vague general timelime, like by the end of the 3rd quarter. Then if it is released early, they come out looking like hero's, instead of villians when they don't deliver, as promised.

I think it is a safe bet that we will see an ACID Pro 6a update between now and the end of the 3rd quarter. :-)


Cheers,


Billy Buck

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: provolone

Date:5/8/2006 1:57:46 PM

flstudio and tracktion ROCKS!
i own all of sonic foundry, sony...., programs. acid was fine until midi was implemented. for example vegas now is one great stable program on his release "d".
for me acid is unuseable. clicks, pops, and a lot of problems that we know... rewire errors, vst plugins errors in particular if you click on the related tabs in the preferences.
the startup project plays good. but with audio and dls softsynths only.
it was useable but not perfect in his version 5 release "c".
note that my pc configuration is a good configuration.
vegas is working good at 5ms latency with asio driver of my delta 1010lt.
acid 6 can't play clean at 10ms!!
we are near the status of betatest, but is a natural work in progress of all software industries. the question is if this is right or not.
from now my copy of tracktion works for all of my projects. we are waiting for ap6.0a.
thank you sony.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: Zacchino

Date:5/8/2006 7:47:29 PM

Ow come on,

I'm the first one in this forum that had the worst luck with this software.

Just take a look at all my posts. I'm one of these guys who's almost changed ship, who were very nervous about obvious issues, and who sometime just couldn't stand not having "this" or "that" feature in this software.

I've tryied several months working only with Cubase, Samplitude, and Sonar. I loved them equally, but I've always worked faster in Acid. For all the issue that I had, and that delayed my inspiration, I still had 3 laps ahead compared to people working with all these DAW.
Acid is the one and only what-you-see-is-what-you-get audio software in the market.

It's not that I'm used to this software. I had to re-learn my workflow when 6.0 came out like most of us. For me, it's the only software that could deserve the "Logic" word in its name.

I just can't help feeling intellectually offensed when people say that this software is not professionnal. I earned my money with the music that came out directly out of this software. I signed contracts with Warner Music and Universal Music (France), with music that was made from the bottom to the end with this software. All the gear and professional sample libraries (orchestral, percussions) I have, is bought out with the money of the music that I made with this software. I'm not bragging around. I'm just saying that if for you it doesn't work, try to figure why, because for others, it just rolls.

The community here is not large, and never had been very large, if you don't count all the "how to seperate the voice from the instrumental" kind of posters. For me, this is the only obvious issue I know.

I hope someone will lock this thread sooner or later, cuz this kind of discussion is going nowhere, and helping nobody down here.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: GrupoJyT

Date:5/8/2006 9:39:59 PM

I Agree!

From my point of view, ACID is the best...

but this New version nedd more patient people in the support front desk.

I have a question without response for 3 weeks.

Because I'm using PRO 5 the problem is not critic for me, but the response time prom Sony support staff is too slow...
________________________

Customer (Jose Ortega Figueroa) 05/02/2006 12:31 PM
Are you there?

I know that you have a lot of work with the PRO 6 issues.

I appreciate your feedback

Thank's

Customer (Jose Ortega Figueroa) 04/20/2006 11:25 AM
The automation is stored within the midi file, I send you some files for reference of this error:

Acid PRO 5c: The ACID zip file and the jpg picture show 4 events of the midi file, with control 109 at the begining o the file. In this case the execution is OK.

Acid PRO 6: ERROR. The acid file in 5c is oppened in PRO 6 and I don't edit any think, only display the control 109. The file and the picture shows this errorer:

#1.- An extra control 109 at the end of the event, this is not in the MIDI file and is not included in PRO 5c. THIS IS A CRITICAL ERROR.

#2.- In the picture, I show you the pont in ACID 6 when the software displys a COntrol 109 at the beat 2.4.000, but if you pen the midi file, the control is included only at the begining of the file, this mean at 2.1.001. THIS IS ANOTHER WAY OF THE SAME ERROR

#3.- If you analize the MIDI clip file, you can view that ACID 6 display twice (2 times) the control event 109 at 1.1.001. BUT the event in the original file is included only 1 time.

If you try to delete the first or second event in the List Editor, both lines are deleted from file. THIS IS THE THIRD EVIDENCE OF THE ERROR.

I have several projects playing chords with this events, using a nodified version of the Native Instrument Akkord Guitar 3.1 (Kontakt 2). This work well un PRO 5c but present the 3 previos errors consistently in all the clips if I try to open an play the project un PRO 6.

I appreciate your help

Tanks

Response (Rob A.) 04/10/2006 04:28 PM
Hello,

Thanks for writing.

Is this automation stored within the MIDI file? If your MIDI file contains CC Automation data, then it will be added on every loop of the MIDI clip. Otherwise, copying and pasting a section of a MIDI track which contains a CC Automation Envelope will copy and paste that envelope as well.

Sincerely,

Rob A.
Technical Support
Sony Media Software
1617 Sherman Ave
Madison, WI 53704
http://www.sony.com/mediasoftware
http://www.acidplanet.com

Customer (Jose Ortega Figueroa) 04/06/2006 12:57 AM
All my loops in this project contains automation of Controller 109 and 110.

ACID 5c runs excellent, but ACID 6 duplicates the controls in each loop. Therefore the control is sended to the VSTi twice, at the begining and at the end of each event in track.

I'm using ACID 5c until this error will be fixed.

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Contact Information
grupojyt@intercable.net

Processor Speed
4

Version and Build
6.0 build 214

Product Serial #
*****************************************************

Editing Skill Level
Semi-Professional

File Attachments
• Ven y Adora 01 Akkord Guitar 060330.acd-zip
• 0604 Error en PRO 6.zip

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/9/2006 5:53:19 AM

Jose:

I was provided all of your information as you supplied to our tech support team.

This problem was identified, fixed, and will be part of the update release of ACID 6.

Thanks,
Peter

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: Djipy

Date:5/9/2006 6:39:23 AM

I'm back for a short while, as I'm very glad that Peter has posted an answer on this forum.
Please, don't forget us, Peter.

To people who asked : the host I'm using is Acid Pro 4.0f.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: RJ Fielder

Date:5/9/2006 7:22:24 AM

>>>Product Serial # ...

You really shouldn't post your serial number out in the open like that.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: midiaxer

Date:5/9/2006 11:47:16 AM

I'm using ACID Pro 6 right now to record a full album for a major artist. Works great. Had to make a few adjustments but I like it better than 4.0

I think I've found a few bugs but nothing I can't work around.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: bgc

Date:5/9/2006 11:48:51 PM

I've been using A6 on a number of projects and it's the most stable, feature packed version yet. I haven't had it crash on me once.
Maybe the lurker who started this thread is a competitor.
If anything I'm almost overwhelmed with all the new features. ; )

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: mewsician2

Date:5/13/2006 6:02:30 AM

I sure wish I could say I'm excited about AP6.
:(
I love AP4, still, but this new version, just doesn't seem to have the easey feel of AP4.0.
I'm an old dawg, learning new tricks, and I'm sure that's part of the issue, but I've decided to wait for the updates, and try to figure out a few minor fixes for myself, like the control R for recording!!!!
That, just doesn'r work for me, along with a couple of other things I stumbled onto.
Back to Sonar for now, and I'll keep watching these threads.
Regards,

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: liquid

Date:5/13/2006 6:35:59 AM

oh let me assure you it does crash...it is the most stable version I have used as well, but it crashes on me every few hours when I do something it doesn't like. Like when I record a midi part using the komptor vst the edit a not right after the recording and hit undo...bam, everytime.....but it's still very good, and I'm so used to saving every 2 seconds automatically that I never loose much.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: billybk

Date:5/13/2006 6:44:54 AM

try to figure out a few minor fixes for myself, like the control R for recording!!!!


Keybindings were added in ACID Pro 5. You can customize ACID very easily. I just added a "F3" keybind, for "Record". Now instead of pressing (2) keys "Crtl + R", I just press the "F3" function key to start & stop record. One of the many new feature's of AP6, is the addtition of "Control Surface Support" and especially the built-in native support, of the Frontier TranzPort wireless DAW controller. Sony has incorporated a very nice implementation in AP6. One nice feature, which I have not seen, in any other DAW (including SONAR ), when using the TranzPort, is true "on the fly recording". You never need to stop playback. I can be in another room (with a mic or guitar) and simply press the "Record" button, on my TranzPort and ACID will automatically and almost instantaneously (assuming there is no track set for record already):

1) Create a new track
2) Arm for record the new track
3) Put the ACID transport into record mode

Cheers,

Billy Buck

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: vespesian

Date:5/14/2006 12:10:05 AM

I'm with BGC - AP6 (apart from the g-l-a-r-i-n-g time selection copy/paste glitch) works amazingly well, esp. compared to similar "DAW" progs. Because Sony products are generally 'easy' to use, their flaws, necessarily, become more evident, more quickly - it's part of having a transparent work thru-put. Spend a few months with Cubase..believe me, there are a plenty bugs waiting lurkin within.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: Ranger Bob

Date:5/15/2006 1:40:48 AM

"Spend a few months with Cubase..believe me, there are a plenty bugs waiting lurkin within"

Bugs that take me months to find are obviously not a major concern. The time selection bug and copy & paste crashes are major concerns should've been found with any testing at all.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: jaydeeee

Date:5/30/2006 5:09:50 PM

as replied in another post...

You're all forgetting one glaring problem: the length of time between updates with foundry/sony is immense compared to all other companies.
This much is fact to this long-term foundry (now sony) user and the only reason this kid will wait until adopting A6.

No - even knowing all bug possibilities inherent with app launches, this one should have been kept at home a little longer before release.
Look at the pricetag again and tell me I'm wrong.
Some of you fanboys are now lost in the solidarity game, now too blind to admit the obvious.

at the same time: big round of applause to foundry/sony for finally tackling the meldign of vegas audio and acid. Something I kept harping on loooong ago. I hope it pans out one day, I'll be purchasing once it's ready for serious work.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: alltheseworlds

Date:5/30/2006 5:18:28 PM

jaydee - if you own any Native Instrument products you'll appreciate how fast Sony really is.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: randygo

Date:5/30/2006 5:41:36 PM

As long as Sony is testing the hell out of the update, I'm willing to give them a little more time. Hopefully the marketeers are not forcing a specific release date, that is probably why 6.0 was released with issues that should never have passed through test. It's been two months since release, hopefully the wait is not too much longer.

What was the wait between Acid Pro 5.0 and 5.0a? Was 5.0 released in Oct/04 and 5.0a out in Mar/05? So that would be at least four months...

Randy

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: Davetheonemendez

Date:5/30/2006 6:52:54 PM

I'll be happy to wait for Acid Pro 6 to develop. I've been using Acid Pro since version one, this program got me into remixing, I was able to do radio shows in one day (with version 4.0 and the beatmapper) and the level of edit trickery I am able to accomplish is incredible.

This is how i'm looking at Acid and will continue to look at it from that standpoint.

If anyone at Sony is listening; I think you made a grave mistake making acid a DAW; Acid needs to go back to it's roots as a timestretch, looping editing paradise.

Vegas Audio should have been turned into the flagship workstation; I've worked vegas before and vegas itself has some astounding audio editing features. It's logically laid out too and very easy to just drag and drop audio files in for all sorts of things. The time stretch feature in it is pretty damn cool too.

There is a major difference in working with vegas audio and acid. If you appreciate my two cents; vegas felt very much to me like Pro Tools LE 6.9 - 7.0 but even better. I remember chopping up loops in sound forge and acid and doing my entire mix in acid; then exporting the file and bringing it in to vegas audio to record vocals. It was pretty damn sweet. I also brought an entire mix into vegas (67 minutes) to do some extreme editing. I used markers and the split function in vegas to export those regions (as pca files) i created and opened them in acid to destroy it with insane editing and then exporting again (keeping the pca intact) back into vegas. Very sweet x-fades too in vegas; it's the main reason I started doing alot of audio in it.
I still have those project files in Vegas 4.0 and Acid 4 on my old pc (with windows 98se)
The project was called Mic Mac records Bangin Beats Then and Now.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001P2IU4/sr=8-3/qid=1149039162/ref=sr_1_3/104-8311290-5054333?%5Fencoding=UTF8
http://www.micmacrecords.com/domain/modules/shop/product_info.php/products_id/28

So special thanks to Sony for making two awesome products that work so well hand in hand.

I say keep it that way. Build upon Vegas (the audio portion) and let acid do what it does best as a re-wire instrument or an extension of vegas audio. Mimic nuendo and pro tools le features (nuendo and cubase just got the time stretching functions, called audio warp) this is something vegas had for the longest already. You guys broke ground and didn't even know it.
Apple noticed how powerful soundtrack the app was; it started out as a tool in Final Cut Pro; they seperated it after Final Cut Pro 3 was out and it is now a kick as stand alone tool.

Things I would add in Vegas Audio DAW, would be the same as Pro Tools 7 LE, Import acid and rex files which will automatically stretch to tempo set in vegas audio. Another cool feature in Pro Tools LE 7 is to ungroup the audio regions; when you do this with a rex file you get each individual slice. You can steal the groove of this file with Beat Detective (it's recycle built into pro tools as a tool) and you can even re-quantize and re-order the slices to spice up the loops, match your projects midi data, or match it exactly with another loop or loops. You can then group it again and copy and paste the rex file till your heart is content. You also have the ability to grid and ungrid when necessary; I like to do ungridded edits (which is why i loved vegas 4) but there are times where i need to edit with a grid (which is why i used acid) to do some detailed things.

Ideally, you would be able to create an acid track in vegas pro; where it will behave like acid (beatmapper, grid etc....) call it an Acid instrument track. Your VSTI's would be a Vegas vst instrument track, and your regular audio tracks for recording vocals and importing your rex files, acid files etc....
Those that don't need the full DAW can just buy Acid to do what they have to do (like apple does with soundtrack) and the full vegas digital audio production suite (love that name) will be a package with Vegas Audio DAW, Sound Forge and Acid Pro. Vegas Video can easily become part of the Total Audio/Video DAW (much like Avid and protools and Adobe Premiere and Adobe audition)

Sorry for the long rant but Acid is Acid; it still does what it does best (minus the DAW features) and I'm thankful for that.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: randygo

Date:5/30/2006 10:40:21 PM

>I say keep it that way. Build upon Vegas (the audio portion) and let acid do what it does best

This topic has been pretty much beaten to death on the Vegas forums. Strategically, Vegas is positioned as a video app and audio capabilities have been minimal in the last few releases. Vegas apparently will never have tempo changes nor MIDI any time in the near future which severely cripples its potential as a DAW platform.

I think the new changes in Acid Pro 6.0 are great and with a few more additions will satisfy both the disenfranchised Vegas audio users and the traditional Acid loopers.

Cheers,

Randy

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: jaydeeee

Date:5/31/2006 12:51:08 AM

dave the one,

I appreciate your enthusiasm for loop based music (and/or DnB, electronica...etc, etc).
But there are others out there who can utilize the daw capabilities (along with some loops, etc too).
Most of these types are instrumentalists/singers who know how to play (an instrument or use the voice).

I wouldn't pigeon-hole it, so I'd say your wrong on one aspect that if/when A6 gets settled, there is definitely a place for vegas daw functionality there.
Just because you might only work with samples/loops doesn't mean everybody does.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: alltheseworlds

Date:5/31/2006 1:54:32 AM

I went to Sonar specifically because Acid did not have decent DAW functionality. I came back with the v6 release because these aspects were finally added...

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: Davetheonemendez

Date:5/31/2006 4:37:21 AM

That's a pretty bad assumption saying all i work with is loops etc..... My main use for acid and vegas was editing and I have used it for remixing (things released commercially that I got paid for) ; if there are any loops that I work with in any of my projects they are ones that I myself create, I don't use off the shelf loops or loop libraries. And when I say editing; I mean extreme editing.............this is a song titled a day in my life (the first 24 seconds)
http://www.4ament.com/images/adayinmylifeedit.gif

I heartily disagree as far as Acid turning into a work station. Acid has always been elementary and far from being a workstation. It's primary functions were for assembling loops with a painting style and timestretching and editing. Even though Acid Pro 6 made an attempt to dive into being a DAW and is filled with bugs, it still feels elementary to me.

Vegas Audio was sold seperatley at one point and seemed to be heading toward being a workstation when sonic foundry had full ownership; things seemed to change the closer they got to selling the sonic foundry software to sony.

Feel free to continue to bank on Acid being a DAW, i'll appreciate it for it's original concept and painty by number style of working with audio files and it's editing features.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: alltheseworlds

Date:5/31/2006 5:21:03 AM

Each to their own

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: Zacchino

Date:5/31/2006 5:54:49 AM

I tottally disagree with you Dave the one. Acid6 has made great improvement and has not only "catched up" competition for being a DAW. It has its own way to be a DAW. That's what makes it a better DAW for some people, and an "elementary" DAW for others.

Again, we shoud really lock this thread, it's not constructive at all.

Subject:RE: Fed up with Acid 6

Reply by: Davetheonemendez

Date:5/31/2006 8:21:34 AM

I absolutley did not mean to offend.
I agree to each their own.
What I really meant to say is that I like the non DAW acid for what it does.

If they had a vertical mix window (with channel strips like PTLE7 and Nuendo/Cubase) with the look and feel of vegas i'd be upset and want them to do everything in their
power to fix the bugs immediatley. This is not the case though.

Which is ok because Acid pro is just fine for doing what I always did since version one; as far as Acid growing from version 4 to now; it really hasn't, other than making the push to be a DAW.

As for everyone else that is looking forward to it being a DAW to each their own.
I hope they iron out all the bugs an deliver on the goods.

Peace and Respect

Dave

System of a down - hypnotize (extreme edited with acid pro and sound forge)
http://www.4ament.com/DamixxCd/hypnotizetheone.mp3
Hip Hop Edited Timbaland style (Acid Pro and Sound Forge)
Tony Yayo- I know you don't love me http://www.4ament.com/DamixxCd/yayo.mp3