Subject:It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Posted by: Krib_Deth

Date:4/4/2006 8:50:26 PM

I can't get Acid 6 to open up any Acid 5 files, or detect my VSTI folders. In fact, under VSTI instruments, there isn't even a screen to select folders. In fact, there's nothing. Acid won't even open up the sample file it comes with.

What gives?

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: pwppch

Date:4/4/2006 9:28:45 PM

I sounds like the installation is corrupt.

Did you install to the default directories or did you have ACID install somewhere else?

Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling?

Peter

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: Krib_Deth

Date:4/5/2006 12:03:40 AM

I installed it to my D:\ drive. I already attempted to uninstall/reinstall, three times now...nothing.

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: Krib_Deth

Date:4/5/2006 12:13:05 AM

And I thought version 4.0a sucked. I found out that Acid Pro 6 won't even open up my Acid 3., 4, or 5 files.

What the hell is the matter with this thing?

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: Krib_Deth

Date:4/5/2006 12:26:10 AM

And, is it standard that you have to install Sony products to that stupid "Program Files" directory? Version 4 went to my D:\. Version 5 went to my D:\ Adobe Photoshop goes to my D:\ FL Studio goes to my D:|

Hell, even Windows XP will install to the D:
But will Acid 6? It really doesn't matter, cause I installed it to several different drives, including whatever weird default one it insisted upon...and still I get nothing.

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:4/5/2006 12:26:14 AM

I have been able to open 3, 4 or 5 files with no problems.

Not to make light of your problems - it is annoying if you can't get going. But you can hardly say 6 sucks just because of your own experience. The fact that you had problems with 4a suggests something odd about your setup, and you should find that 6 works fine once you solve that setup issue. I suggest posting details of your problem on the Help questions and take it to Sony for direct assistance. Also, try installing on another machine to verify that it does work as advertised.

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:4/5/2006 12:33:36 AM

PS: The "C:\Program files" folder is hardly weird or stupid! That is exactly where XP expects you to install your programs! It is not something peculiar to Sony!

You don't have to, you can change the path if you want. However, if XP is intsalled in D:\ like you say, then when you install Acid, Photoshop etc etc, the installer should give you "D:\Program files" as the default path. Have you installed all your programs to the D:\ root directory? If so, why?

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: Krib_Deth

Date:4/5/2006 1:35:10 AM

What doesn't make sense is how I had to wait for 5.0d for everything to run smoothly, then to turn around and find out that 6 starts the whole cherade all over again.

I have Windows taking the entirety of the c:\, because of how bloated it gets. I'm just curious why 3.5, 4, and 5 will run from the D:\, but 6 won't. All these other programs run from the D:\, but 6 wont. That's not a system issue, that's a program bug - plain and simple.

And, the "Program Files" set is absolutely ignorant, as there is no excuse why users are not able to install specifically to where they want or need. Microsoft sets that up for exceptionally lazy and computer illiterate individuals who refuse to self designate where data is to go. It's the same issue whith the old "My documents" and "My music" folders. That's just sheer laziness in command there.

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: Krib_Deth

Date:4/5/2006 2:19:27 AM

Ok, well, it would appear that I downloaded a corrupt installer. I took your advice and downloaded it again (after a seven hour battle with the demo installer) and this time it worked.

I must say, with the features that i'm seeing so far...I'm impressed.

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:4/5/2006 5:58:43 AM

Great to see you have it working at last. I am really enjoying the speed I can knock out tracks now.

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: thirdnostril

Date:4/5/2006 7:31:11 AM

"the "Program Files" set is absolutely ignorant, as there is no excuse why users are not able to install specifically to where they want or need. Microsoft sets that up for exceptionally lazy and computer illiterate individuals who refuse to self designate where data is to go. It's the same issue whith the old "My documents" and "My music" folders. That's just sheer laziness in command there."

There are those who would opine that deliberately installing your software into non-standard locations is command for command's sake, which is pointless. Your programs will run better from C:\Program Files, because almost every program made will look there first. If you think you're "really in control of your PC" because you pick a different folder to install software in, I've got news for you.

If you really wanna be your own man with your computer, use Linux.

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: Spheris

Date:4/5/2006 7:35:25 AM

Oh good lord, this is priceless...

Krib, while it might seem strange, even stupid. It's a fair bet things work the way they do with these installers because of a reason. granted I know nothing about the process by which they came to it..but it does seem to work for about 99.5% of people when they let it do as its supposed to and not as they want it to.

If you want that sort of control over it...maybe it's time to break out the c++ and roll your own app. And don't beat up on PCH - that's my job :)

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: Krib_Deth

Date:4/5/2006 10:23:30 AM

With that kind of logic at play, why does Sony and other software vendors give users the option of install path? If this is the case, then why even make it an option? Doesn't really make much sense, when you think about it. If there's a chance that your apps won't work on someone's computer, then simply dissalow them the opportunity to exploit that chance, by assigning the install path themselves.

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: Krib_Deth

Date:4/5/2006 10:34:49 AM

And, so, the fact that Adobe products work off the D:\, the fact that FL Studio works off the d:\, as well as Ableton and Pro-Tools M, Autodesk's Viz, Microsoft Office, Flash MX, In-Design, Illustrator, Aftereffects, CD Achitect, Norton Utilites, on....and let's not forget Acid 3, 4, and 5,...all are able to work off the D:\ and now these programs are suddenly becoming finniky and ultra tempermental where they are located?

Are you kidding me?

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: Spectralis

Date:4/5/2006 10:43:40 AM

I'm glad you got it sorted Krib. It does bring a warm feeling to see how much better v6 is once you get it working.

As for this installation issue. I think you both have a point but am I just being too nice because I'm elated by v6? :)

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: Spheris

Date:4/5/2006 10:57:15 AM

Krib,

I don't debate the fact the paths are fixed makes little sense to me either. But I am going to quote something PCH did say to me when I asked a similar question a few years ago when Forge 7.0 presented a similar confusion.

His answer was something along this line. The Path structure was fixed in order to enable the paths for the shared components between the applications (assuming he was talking about all of the sony product line) and considerations as they were making a transition to a unicode/shared code base for future revisions. I have to give that it probably is gospel and set up that way in order to assure the shared components to work as they should. In a by the book install. I've never seen it fail that the applications behave as they should (barring bugs of course)

Should they be allowed alternate paths - sure - as long as nothing breaks or becomes compromised with it. Beyond that, PCH will have to explain it in more detail. But..if the alternate paths do break it..then so be it..It will have to install their way on their terms.

I can relate, it might be inconvenient, butt if in trying to force it from an inconvenience to inoperable altogether. DO you really win by having it your way?

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: Krib_Deth

Date:4/5/2006 11:48:03 AM

Thanks for sharing. It's just unreal how something that would seem so trivial, like installation path, would cause such headaches. And, the primary offender is usually Acid. I'm not sure what specifically it is about Acid that does it, but it's sure enough 99.9% of the time Acid.

I would've thought the installation path issue would've been resolved years ago. I guess I just got used to other apps working fine when you designate the install path yourself, for better organization purposes.

The reason I don't install to that C:\? Well, it's because with all the updates, patches, hot fixes, and whatever else Microsoft throws out at us, that C:\ gets really fat, reall quick, leaving me hardly any room to install my applications. So, I started dedicating the entirety of the c:\ (50 gig) to just Windows. All the other drives (50 gig) I have partitioned out for Applications, Data, and so forth.

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: Krib_Deth

Date:4/5/2006 11:49:20 AM

iActually, let me clarify. 50 gig goes to apps, 50 gig goes to date, 50 gig goes to Unreal Tournament (cause it takes up a huge amount of room)

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: Spheris

Date:4/5/2006 11:51:42 AM

I hear you. I wish I could put unreal on my workstations..but their all for work and my laptops just not upto gaming..but runs a mean microsoft solitaire

:)

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: thirdnostril

Date:4/5/2006 12:16:04 PM

"With that kind of logic at play, why does Sony and other software vendors give users the option of install path?"

Because sometimes it's NECESSARY. That's a far cry from your "You're not going to tell ME where to put my apps!" sort of control for control's sake.

"If this is the case, then why even make it an option? Doesn't really make much sense, when you think about it. If there's a chance that your apps won't work on someone's computer, then simply dissalow them the opportunity to exploit that chance, by assigning the install path themselves."

It's hardly been established that the placement of the program is at fault. It's just fast and easy to group all your program data in a location you don't have to struggle to remember.

It's not all black and white, genius or idiocy. Learn to see the shades of gray.

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: thirdnostril

Date:4/5/2006 12:18:53 PM

"The reason I don't install to that C:\? Well, it's because with all the updates, patches, hot fixes, and whatever else Microsoft throws out at us, that C:\ gets really fat, reall quick, leaving me hardly any room to install my applications. So, I started dedicating the entirety of the c:\ (50 gig) to just Windows. All the other drives (50 gig) I have partitioned out for Applications, Data, and so forth."

I'm sorry, don't mean to be belligerent, but are you using the same Windows as the rest of us? Are you sure that's not a whole bunch of temporary Internet files? I mean, my Windows doesn't take more than a gig or two. Are you sure you're doing this right?

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up ag

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:4/5/2006 4:05:33 PM

[Krib_Deth wrote] 50 gig goes to Unreal Tournament (cause it takes up a huge amount of room)

[Spheris wrote] I wish I could put unreal on my workstations..but their all for work and my laptops just not upto gaming..

Dudes, you guys are arguing in a forum when you could be fragging each other in a Death Match? Who’s up for a friendly game of Onslaught? (ya’ just gotta love Unreal Tournament) Mmmm... I love the smell of fresh gibs in the morning. :-D

~jr

Subject:RE: It's nice to see things are screwed up again

Reply by: MJhig

Date:4/6/2006 6:37:02 AM

Krib_Deth wrote; "The reason I don't install to that C:\? Well, it's because with all the updates, patches, hot fixes, and whatever else Microsoft throws out at us, that C:\ gets really fat, reall quick, leaving me hardly any room to install my applications. So, I started dedicating the entirety of the c:\ (50 gig) to just Windows."

EDITED out the QUOTE tag as it appears it's not supported.

There's NO WAY XP would fill up 50 GB with just the install and updates.

I'm running an 8 GB partition for Win XP Pro SP2 AND ALL my apps. (many) with all Win (and other apps.) updates and still have over 3 GB free.

Most likely you are not clearing previous System Restore points. R-click C:\ drive > Properties > Disk Clean up, let it scan > More options tab > System Restore.

This will delete all but the last restore point.

Also I suggest moving My Documents which contains My Music, My Pictures and My Video to another drive. This not only reduces the amount of data on C:\, it also makes re-installs of Windows much less painless.

I also set up Outlook Express to use another drive for message and newsgroup storage as well as Address Book.

My Favorites also is stored on another drive for the same reasons.

That drive happens to be D:\ for all these folders but it could be any other.

There are specific procedures for moving each of these system folders, don't just go moving them willy-nilly.

MS's PowerToys TweakUI will handle most of them but My Docs should be moved first by R-clicking it > Properties > change the target > Apply, then you will be prompted to move it's contents with it solving the My Music, etc. folder moving listed above.

How to Change the Default Location of the My Documents Folder

Microsoft PowerToys for Windows XP

OE is a different animal and if anyone's interested I'll post more detail.

EDIT:

Here's the procedure for OE;


To Backup and Restore Your OE Mail, News and Settings [MVP-Doug Knox]
Your safest bet is to move the OE Mail Store to a new folder, on a different partition, if available and export a few Registry keys to back up all your settings.

1) In Outlook Express, go to Tools, Options, Maintenance. Select the Store Folder button. Change the location of the OE Mail and News store folder to a drive/partition/folder that will not be affected by the install or re-install. This is especially true if you plan to reformat the system drive. You will be prompted to log off/back on, or reboot, do so.

2) Do a Find on *.wab and copy all WAB files to a folder on the same drive/partition you used in Step 1. This can even be the same folder that you moved the Mail Store to (recommended).

3) Open Regedit and go to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\WAB\WAB4\Wab File Name. Modify the value to point to the folder you copied your WAB file to.

NOTE: If you only have one available partition, complete steps 1 through 3. Then backup the contents of the folder(s) that you moved the Mail Store and WAB files to. This can be to floppy media, CR-R/RW or whatever you prefer.

4) Now export the following 4 Registry keys to a location that will be available after your reinstall, or whatever (a floppy will work for the REG files). If you're going back to a Windows 9X OS, you need to ensure you select Win9x/NT4 in the Save as type pulldown.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Account Manager
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Outlook Express
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\WAB\WAB4\Wab File Name

5) Uninstall XP and/or reinstall your desired OS.

NOTE: DO NOT open Outlook Express until you completed this procedure

6) Recreate the folder(s) you used in steps 1 and 2, making sure the path is the same. NOTE: If you were required to backup your Mail and WAB files to other media, you can restore them now.

7) Open Regedit and delete the HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities key.

8) Locate the 4 REG files you exported in Step 3 and import them into the Registry.

9) Open OE and enjoy.

Note: Your passwords for mail and news accounts will have to be reentered. These are not saved in the Registry

EDIT again to be user friendly, please re-read

MJ