Subject:Shaky VST support in Acid 6

Posted by: bullshark

Date:4/3/2006 8:46:38 AM

'been toying with the demo. I thought this sequencer would be the answer to my prayers, I even sold one of my sequencer when the release came close.

Well, I don't think it's ready for prime time yet.

Firstly, in all the sequencer I've ever tried, VSTs they have problems with just get ignored and don't load. Not so with Acid, scanning the VST folders made it freeze, hard. I had to create another folder just for Acid and copy a few VSTs I know never to have caused problems in any host; I shouldn't have to do that.

Then, Acid seems to get confused as to what VST instrument is assigned to which track. Example? I load Wusikstation on midi track 1, record some midi. Create another track and assign it to Asynth, upon doing that it's the GUI of Wusikstation that appears, WTF? Clos the GUI, play a few note... I get a mix of Wusikstation and Asynth sound, but only coming out of the Wusikstation buss... Assign the Wusikstation midi track input to none (Asynth track is still to "default"), I get no sound whatsoever, even previously recorded mid won't play. Click on the Wusikstation buss to get the GUI, Acid crashes...

Oh well, back to my old sequencers...

Subject:RE: Shaky VST support in Acid 6

Reply by: bullshark

Date:4/3/2006 9:47:29 PM

I've got 4 VSTI in the special VST folder I made just for Acid. Here's the rundown:

Asynth: plays fine when I play the keys, won't play recorded MIDI no matter what I do.

Triangle II: Work fine.

Wusikstation: I get weird MIDI glitchiness, MIDI input connect and disconnect randomly, keyboard playing switch or mix output etc.

Augur: Crash Acid when used with Wusikstation, haven't tried with other yet.

Subject:RE: Shaky VST support in Acid 6

Reply by: nlamartina

Date:4/3/2006 11:55:50 PM

"Firstly, in all the sequencer I've ever tried, VSTs they have problems with just get ignored and don't load. Not so with Acid..."

Then why do you still have these plugins installed, if they don't work with your other hosts?

"Then, Acid seems to get confused as to what VST instrument is assigned to which track."

The synth that show up in the synth window correspond to what track is selected in the bank. If you highlight track 1 that's plugged into synth A, synth A shows up in the window. If you then select track that's plugged into synth B, synth B shows up in the window.

I downloaded the WusikStation demo, and it does crash. However, this is likely a WusikStation problem, not Acid. I did some research and found that WusikStation has a history of crashing its hosts, including Sonar and Cubase. What version are you running? An update might fix this. I'd let the author know about the problem, too.

- Nick

Subject:RE: Shaky VST support in Acid 6

Reply by: bullshark

Date:4/4/2006 10:10:32 AM

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"Firstly, in all the sequencer I've ever tried, VSTs they have problems with just get ignored and don't load. Not so with Acid..."

Then why do you still have these plugins installed, if they don't work with your other hosts?
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Because if, say, plugin "A" doesn't work with host "1" and gets ignored, I can just load it trough, say, host "2" and use it anyway. Why do I even have to explain something so basic on a music app forum?




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"Then, Acid seems to get confused as to what VST instrument is assigned to which track."

The synth that show up in the synth window correspond to what track is selected in the bank. If you highlight track 1 that's plugged into synth A, synth A shows up in the window. If you then select track that's plugged into synth B, synth B shows up in the window.
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Please read the post again, but read it all this time; what you're explaining to me a six years old could figure out in ten minutes.


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I downloaded the WusikStation demo, and it does crash. However, this is likely a WusikStation problem, not Acid. I did some research and found that WusikStation has a history of crashing its hosts, including Sonar and Cubase. What version are you running? An update might fix this. I'd let the author know about the problem, too.
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Sorry, but no. There was no bug reports for months on the latest Wusikstation released version, and it has an extremely large user base. Beside, out of four VSTI, I get only one working properly in Acid so I'm not going to bug WilliamK for problems with Acid and only Acid.

Subject:RE: Shaky VST support in Acid 6

Reply by: nlamartina

Date:4/4/2006 11:00:58 AM

Wow, you're a charmer. Figure it out yourself.

- Nick

Subject:RE: Shaky VST support in Acid 6

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:4/4/2006 12:26:27 PM

Bullshark...You bug williamK to spend some of his time contacting sony so that "they" can iron it out. [I know 6th grade stuff right?] There was a problem with the vst clone ensemble plugins not working right...guess what I did? ;)

BTW...your answer to you using more than one host to get the job done makes sense but didn't need to be stated like that. Its understandable to be annoyed when new software doesn't work "out of the box" but when a person trys to help you bro...come on.

Subject:RE: Shaky VST support in Acid 6

Reply by: Spheris

Date:4/4/2006 12:55:34 PM

Okay boys,

The support link is always there to register bug reports. This forum is peer support. The presence of PCH or anyone else Sony Media does not imply you can get a quick fix or even immediate answer. And having a bitch fit accomplishes nothing but to make them retreat altogether to try to come up with a fix - often without enough information and they have to fill in the blanks you left out while venting plasma. Make the forum work as it should - contribute to the working thread if you're that concerned about your problem so they can see what is and isn't on the table to look at

But back to peer support. Frustration runs high when out of the box doesn't work quite right. Fine and well..but swinging bats at each other in a peer support forum is a little counter productive (neither of you are charmers and I'll be happy to introduce you to my assistant and let you have a look at a real one :) I have to admit I'm ill tempered and fire/suspend people at the drop of the hat but I'm trying to mellow in my golden years ;)

But seriously. Wusik needs to be notified and you've let sony know about the problem. Does anything else need be done - much less get hostile with one another? Spend the energy on finding a workaround - obviously it's not working as described. Now find a way to work around it.

Subject:RE: Shaky VST support in Acid 6

Reply by: bullshark

Date:4/6/2006 1:28:31 AM

"The support link is always there to register bug reports. This forum is peer support. The presence of PCH or anyone else Sony Media does not imply you can get a quick fix or even immediate answer."

You're right, I should just have sent a bug report to Sony or shut up. Sorry, that's what I'll do next time, if there is a next time.

The thing is, I don't own the software, I was just trying the demo, so it never crossed my mind to send anything trough the official channels.

I didn't expect or even want any help, I just posted the problems I encountered trying Sony's newly released software.

Sony's official can read it or not, act on it or not, not really my problem; unless they want clarification or more details on my setup or method, then I would have been happy to give the info to them if its was to lead to better, more stable software. I am in the market for a new sequencer after all, but, in its current form, not this one.