Subject:copy/paste **** in 6.0!!!!

Posted by: trentemoller

Date:4/4/2006 2:51:24 AM

What a disaster!!!!

I have just bought the upgrade to 6.0 just to find out that when I
copy a event clip (Ctrl +C ) and then wanna paste it (Ctrl + V), Acid insert the part ABOVE the other, not next to it, (as it did in Acid 5,0)
Then , if you paste it again it will move above one more, and so on.

So you end up having millions of tracks that way. This is so stupid. WHY?????
I know I can copy and then drag the parts , and then it will not do this thing, but it's time consuming, saying if you have programmed a hi hat pattern and you have to drag it everytime. Then it's much easier just to say copy and then paste it as much as you like.

I can not work with this. It's a shame because the rest of the upgrade is just great! I have to go back to the 5.0c version.

Sony! That's not good enough!!!!

Do anyone in this forum has a solution to this major problem?
I would be very grateful!!

Subject:RE: copy/paste fucked in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: Djipy

Date:4/4/2006 3:07:18 AM

Put the cursor at the right position before ctrl-V and the clip will be inserted where you want to.

Subject:RE: copy/paste fucked in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: trentemoller

Date:4/4/2006 3:13:11 AM

I do that, and it still does the same.
It moves my clips up and into some of my other tracks.....

Subject:RE: copy/paste fucked in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: trentemoller

Date:4/4/2006 3:20:00 AM

it does it when I select more than one event clip.
Then it moves it ontop of a another track!!!!
Very weird!!!

Subject:RE: copy/paste fucked in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: PeterWright

Date:4/4/2006 3:22:05 AM

No problems here - it pastes into whichever is the currently selected track, at cursor position.

p.s. please leave out the profanity,.

Subject:RE: copy/paste fucked in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: trentemoller

Date:4/4/2006 3:38:26 AM

I don't think we are talking about the same thing (-:

Thing thing happens when I have to copy/paste more tracks/eventclips


Try to do this:
Open up an empty arr. window. Then take up 3 different loops.

I then want to copy and then paste all of them.

Try select them all ( Ctrl + A), then Ctrl + C, then Ctrl + V. Put the curser at where you want the 3 loops to be pasted...and then you see the problem!!!

Subject:RE: copy/paste fucked in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: trentemoller

Date:4/4/2006 3:43:53 AM

Sorry, I meant:
Ctrl + A, then Ctrl + C, then place your curser where you want the loops to be pasted and THEN Ctrl + V of course!

Subject:RE: copy/paste fucked in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: Djipy

Date:4/4/2006 4:17:07 AM

It works as expected, here.

Subject:RE: copy/paste fucked in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:4/4/2006 5:44:34 AM

Works Ok here. I can copy and paste three separate clip events further along the timeline by selecting them all with ctrl.

If I highlight (select) three different *tracks*, and copy then paste, I get three new tracks - which is exactly what should happen. Make sure you are selecting the right things before you copy and paste.

I guess it is a disaster on Sony's part. They should make their software work properly even when the user is an idiot.

Subject:RE: copy/paste fucked in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: billybk

Date:4/4/2006 5:54:32 AM

It works fine here too! I copied and pasted (6) disparate audio loops, over & over & over, repeatedly, across the timeline. Worked perfectly each and everytime.
Remember that the first (top) track will get pasted where you have the current track selected (highlighted), in the Track View. IOW, if you select copy clips, from track 1-8 and the currently selected (highlighted) track, in the Track View, is number 7, when you press Ctrl + V, the first copied track will start from track 7. If you want the copied tracks to paste, at track 1, you need to select that track, so ACID knows where you want the first (top) copied track to be placed.


Please, let's refrain from the perverse profanity,

Billy Buck

Subject:RE: copy/paste fucked in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: billybk

Date:4/4/2006 6:03:15 AM

I guess it is a disaster on Sony's part. They should make their software work properly even when the user is an idiot.


Hey, even though ACID Pro 6 is the best version yet, it is still not idiot proof. :-P

Billy Buck

Subject:RE: copy/paste hosed in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: BSM

Date:4/4/2006 6:54:51 AM

Is there a way to just drag a selection or loop from one track to another. Copy/paste from one track to another works fine, but is a time killer. You can drag a loop from Explorer to any track you want, so it should be possible. Is it a key sequence that I have not tried? Shift, Ctrl, Alt, drag - none work.

If this does not work right in the timeline, then comping parts will be a slow and difficult task.

BSM

Subject:RE: copy/paste hosed in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: billybk

Date:4/4/2006 7:17:39 AM

Is there a way to just drag a selection or loop from one track to another.

No, not in version 6.0. You will have to Ctrl + C & then Ctrl + V to copy/paste clips from one track to another.

Cheers,

Billy Buck

Subject:RE: copy/paste hosed in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: BSM

Date:4/4/2006 8:11:38 AM

When loop recording multi takes and editing in the chopper in the past versions, vocal comping worked very well in fact. I often have to edit things recorded elsewhere, so this won't help.

To be able to drag a clip, part, or loop from one track to another using, say the Ctrl key, would be great.

Imagine having to copy and paste from six guitar or vocal takes and paste a comp together.

You cant use the chopper to another track that is pre selected, so it seems. You have to chop to a new track.

Subject:RE: copy/paste forlorn in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: Sony_fshotwell

Date:4/4/2006 8:31:36 AM

Billy Buck,
Thanks for the followup explanation -- that's exactly why ACID is misbehaving in the scenario that Trentemoller described. I think we can do better, and I'm going to take a look into fixing the paste behavior for cases where we can determine that the user isn't explicitly trying to paste onto different tracks.

Meanwhile, Trentemoller, here are all the workarounds I can think of

1) Set focus to the top track in the list before pasting.

2) Use ctrl+drag to drag-copy the selected events.

3) Copy & paste with the Time Selection tool (which will always paste events back to the same tracks they were copied from). If you're into keyboard shortcuts, you'll need to use something like shift+page-down to extend the time selection by grid marks, then ctrl+c, ctrl+v. There's no default keyboard shortcut to jump to the Time Selection tool like there is for the Draw Tool (ctrl+d), but you can get there by cycling tools (d/shift+d), or you can assign a key via Options -> Customize Keyboard

4) Use the new "Sections" feature. Select the pattern you want to copy, and then create a Section for it via "shift+s", then make copies via control+dragging the Section Label.

Hopefully one of these workarounds will tide you over until we can provide a better fix in an update.

Thanks,
Frank Shotwell

Subject:RE: copy/paste forlorn in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: trentemoller

Date:4/4/2006 9:59:44 AM

Thanks a lot for the help everybody, and thanks to Frank @Sony.

It's a good solution to the problem.

And I am looking forward to having it fixed in the next upgrade!

I love Acid and I have used it since ver. 2.0.

All my productions I do on Acid, so I was looking so much forward to this upgrade and got a bit dissapointed by the copy/past problem.
But now I'm gonna use your solutions, can't wait to explore 6.0!!!!!
Thanks!

Subject:RE: copy/paste forlorn in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: Spectralis

Date:4/4/2006 11:03:44 AM

Ah! Say no to profanity but yes to calling someone an idiot. That seems a double standard to me.

Anyway, glad the problem got sorted out. Let's be honest, until we've all had time to get used to ACID 6 many of us are going to be susceptible to the odd bit of confusion. Unless your perfect, that is. ;)

Subject:RE: copy/paste forlorn in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: randygo

Date:4/4/2006 11:40:46 AM

Ditto on the wish to be able to drag events between tracks!

And while Sony is fixing that, it would be nice to be able to chop into a different track from which the source event is on. Oh, and if the numpad up-down arrows can work like in Vegas where the selected event moves up and down the tracks - this feature is great for comping.

Hopefully there is no good reason why these features can not be implemented and Sony can implement them in a patch release.

Cheers,

Randy

Subject:RE: copy/paste forlorn in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: drbam

Date:4/4/2006 12:06:40 PM

I agree. I'm very disappointed that the wonderful Vegas editing flow has not been implemented into the new Acid. The editing speed in Vegas is what sets it apart from all others and is the only reason I've stayed with it so long. I was sooooo hoping that Acid would have Vegas's same kind of editing power. Oh well . . .

drbam

Subject:RE: copy/paste forlorn in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:4/4/2006 12:14:45 PM

"Hopefully there is no good reason why these features can not be implemented and Sony can implement them in a patch release".---

You have to ask yourself...Do I want new features? Or a solid/stable AP 6.0a?

If the time and resources were adequate don't you think that this "trivial" stuff would be in version 6 already?

Not to flame but being realistic. Lets hope stuff gets added workflow wise but not count on it.

Bugs as of now are the priority.

Ed.

Subject:RE: copy/paste forlorn in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: randygo

Date:4/4/2006 12:23:02 PM

"I was sooooo hoping that Acid would have Vegas's same kind of editing power. Oh well . . . "

Well, I think they are about 95% there, so I am hopeful and not really disappointed. It is a great start!

Cheers,

Randy

Subject:RE: copy/paste forlorn in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: MacMoney 3

Date:4/4/2006 6:49:04 PM

Actually,
After you guys spend time learning the new features in A6, I think you'll find a big difference in the editing features vs Vegas. A6 has some very powerful editing tools. I'm lovin it!!!

Greg Mitchell

Subject:RE: copy/paste forlorn in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: drbam

Date:4/4/2006 8:51:38 PM

"After you guys spend time learning the new features in A6, I think you'll find a big difference in the editing features vs Vegas. A6 has some very powerful editing tools. I'm lovin it!!!"

So Greg, does a "big difference" mean that you prefer Acid 6's editing features over Vegas? That its somehow better? I'm only referring to wav file editing, not midi or anything else. I'm only interested in an apples to apples comparison about this issue. Protools and Cubase are "different" than Vegas but certainly not better in the editing dept. Please be more specific about what you mean by a "big difference."

Thanks,

drbam

Subject:RE: copy/paste forlorn in 6.0!!!!

Reply by: ATP

Date:4/7/2006 2:26:37 PM

just want to say i've been having the same problems as the topicstarter, and i'm glad this issue has been acknowledged by Sony and will hopefully be addressed in the next release.

meanwhile the offered workarounds will suffice.