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Subject:They've done it!!!
Posted by: Ben
Date:1/19/2006 5:03:02 AM
Bloody hell! http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/products/acidpro6_brochure.pdf |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Weevil
Date:1/19/2006 5:08:48 AM
Woohoo!!!!! They are running late with the release but it looks like an absolute F!@#ing ripper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Weevil
Date:1/19/2006 5:13:56 AM
How freaking cool does the MIDI stuff look!!!!!!! Man that is doing my brain in. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: coolout
Date:1/19/2006 5:28:41 AM
better late than never... SIGN ME THE F*CK UP!!! I'm getting a control surface the day I download the update. A couple of questions though: 1. why didn't I get asked for the beta test (hell...groove cloning was practically my idea...for real) 2. can vst effects now can use midi/control surface automation? 3. how are the audio tracks named and are they saved as acidized/beatmapped files or just one shots? 4. is it possible to "print effects-to-tape" while recording? (recording a live guitar track while using amplitube or a vocal track while using a vocoder) this announcement has made my day, thanks guys!!! |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Angels
Date:1/19/2006 6:06:03 AM
...after years of bitching and griping from so many users (now so many ex-users) that this was what we wanted! I didn't upgrade to Acid 5 from 4 specifically because of the lack of linear tracking. If it's up to par on performance, I now probably will get back on Acid's upgrade bandwagon. Thanks Sony and especially Peter Haller + Acid team for making this happen. Angels |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Ben
Date:1/19/2006 6:14:28 AM
http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/news/ShowRelease.asp?ReleaseID=614 This gets even better! Unbelievably, they're even calling it a DAW at last. Amazing, after all these years of lobbying from all of us. Worth it in the end! If this is really as it looks: old ACID paradigm + Vegas (audio) + new MIDI... Then this is gonna be one hell of an app. Loads of questons to come from me soon, and I'm sure everyone else too. That press release is very, very encouraging. Ben |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: PumiceT
Date:1/19/2006 6:26:59 AM
So, is it just my (bad) memory, but didn't ACID used to have multi-track recording? My brother used to use an older version of it, then tried the new demo and complained that he couldn't add a live track along with his loops. I tried to defend ACID claiming they never had that, but realized I had to be wrong. His old songs were created entirely in ACID. So, they pulled the feature only to add it back in a couple releases later, and they make it sound ground-breaking? I'm not complaining. I love Vegas to death and use it almost daily. I'll probably buy ACID if it could solve all my audio desires. Hopefully they added the ability to right click a stereo track and choose which channel to use for the audio (both, left, right, or mix) like you can in Vegas. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: busterkeaton
Date:1/19/2006 6:44:19 AM
If you click on Software above you won't see it, but if you click on Sony, you'll see this. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: DJ_Don
Date:1/19/2006 6:55:10 AM
For those who don't feel like looking elsewhere on the site: New Digital Music Workstation Technologies Multitrack Audio and MIDI Recording — Simultaneously record multiple tracks of audio and MIDI into the ACID timeline through a variety of methods, including step recording, punch in/out, continuous looping and more. Multiple Media Files per Track — Layout multiple media files per track, including one-shots, Beatmapped events, loops and disk-based files with new automatic crossfade capabilities. Inline MIDI Editing — MIDI data can be manipulated directly on the ACID timeline, using either a piano roll or a drum grid interface. Edit all note position, velocity, pitch bend, and controller information using an easy, visual approach in the main multitrack interface. MIDI Filtering and Processing — ACID Pro 6 software provides processing of MIDI data directly on the timeline, including quantization, swing, editing of velocity values, event duration changes, and more. VSTi Parameter Automation — Using automation envelopes, ACID Pro 6 software provides increased mixing flexibility for VST instrument parameters. Drum Map Editing — The Drum Map Editor provides an intuitive way to create custom Drum Map templates, to make working in the Drum Grid even easier. Project Sections — ACID Pro 6 software now provides for the creation of project sections that lets users more efficiently rearrange time-based segments of audio and MIDI events located across multiple tracks. External Control Surface Support — ACID Pro 6 software allows for hands-on mixing using external hardware control surfaces. Control record, transport, envelopes, faders, mutes, solos, pans, and effects automation. ACID Pro 6 software includes native support for the Mackie® Control Universal, however the generic control interface option allows user-customizable mapping of up to five generic control surfaces Record Input Monitoring — The new multitrack workflow provides users with the ability to monitor audio signals with real-time track effect DSP during recording sessions Additional ACID Pro 6 key features include: On-the-fly punch-in recording Envelope automation recording Track record meters MIDI track envelopes for controllers MIDI keyframes for patch changes and sysex messages MIDI Quantize and Velocity filters MIDI file import and export Freehand envelope drawing on the timeline Gracenote® CD album identification Dual/Multi-core processor support Film-style panning mode for 5.1 surround projects ACID Pro 6 core features include: Unlimited tracks of audio and MIDI Real-time pitch and tempo matching VST effect and VSTi support Over 20 real-time DirectX effects 5.1 surround mixing ASIO driver support Nestable folder tracks Beatmapper™ remixing tool Groove Mapping quantization tools Chopper™ editing tools Media Manager search technology ReWire mixer and device support Video scoring track (AVI, MOV, WMV) Integrated disc-at-once CD burning One-click music publishing to ACIDplanet.com It looks like you will have an almost "Live" functionality by being able to controls solo, mute, effects parameter changes via MIDI. I am truly stunned--this is the upgrade I've been waiting for. I haven't done very much lately with my music, but in March I'm going to jump back into it with both feet. I love it! |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: tmrpro
Date:1/19/2006 6:55:11 AM
THANKS for listening Sony! You are beautiful! ;^) |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: RJ Fielder
Date:1/19/2006 6:56:34 AM
"available in March" ooh the pain.... |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: kbruff
Date:1/19/2006 6:57:27 AM
"Midi patch changes can be manipulated via envelopes and keyframes on the main timeline" Now this sounds very interesting!!!!! |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Weevil
Date:1/19/2006 6:59:03 AM
Public beta would be nice wouldn’t it... |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: DKeenum
Date:1/19/2006 7:04:22 AM
Interesting thread: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=119617&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=c7ef6f731b2342a734280c0abe737edf |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Ben
Date:1/19/2006 7:14:53 AM
I wonder who started that one... ;) |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Chienworks
Date:1/19/2006 9:30:44 AM
PumiceT, as far as i know, going back to ACID 2, it has never had multitrack recording. You could play back as many tracks at once as you wished, but you could only record one new track at a time. Of course, you could create a recording of multiple tracks by adding them one at a time until you've recorded them all. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:1/19/2006 10:02:24 AM
PumiceT, as far as i know, going back to ACID 2, it has never had multitrack recording. You could play back as many tracks at once as you wished, but you could only record one new track at a time. Of course, you could create a recording of multiple tracks by adding them one at a time until you've recorded them all. Ditto here. As far as I can remember (since ACID Pro 2), ACID did not have multitrack recording. (Hell, it didn't even have MIDI recording/playback then.) Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid Buy Instant ACID by JohnnyRoy and mD! mD at ACIDplanet |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Spectralis
Date:1/19/2006 10:25:52 AM
This is great news! Sony seem to have ticked nearly every box. I can't wait. My only moan is those 20 DX effects. There long in the tooth aren't they? I'd hoped for a few synths and some posh fx like cut down versions of the Oxford line (one can dream. ) I'll wait and see because they may add a few more things by March. If you're listening Sony how about some nicer fx and even a few innovative synths? Well done on the rest though. The best has to be different clips on the same track followed by in-line midi. Roll on March! |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Ben
Date:1/19/2006 10:56:02 AM
>>> There long in the tooth aren't they? Yep! About 10 years old :( Been asking about those old plugs for a while now to no avail. But hey, with all this ACID 6 stuff going on, I'm really not bothered about this. It seems they've concentrated on what's important; we can't have everything at once! Finger's crossed, ACID 6 seems like a great foundation with which to go foward. Ben |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: merlyn
Date:1/19/2006 11:39:32 AM
Looks like a major release. I'm anxious to check out the midi editing tools. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Spectralis
Date:1/19/2006 2:04:52 PM
Re-arrange project sections - that's going to be very handy for remixing and trying out different song structures. Nice one Sony! |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Cheameup
Date:1/19/2006 2:36:58 PM
Yeah . we'll I just hope I dont have to wait till version c to get a version thats not bugged to hell Message last edited on1/19/2006 2:37:33 PM byCheameup. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: SHTUNOT
Date:1/19/2006 3:03:00 PM
"Finger's crossed, ACID 6 seems like a great foundation with which to go foward."--- Exactly Ben...exactly. Ed. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: TorS
Date:1/19/2006 3:10:11 PM
I wonder if it can save midi edits or is that still outside of the Acid paradigm, Peter? Tor |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: merlyn
Date:1/19/2006 3:39:23 PM
Any one have any idea of when it's dropping (release date)? |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Spectralis
Date:1/19/2006 3:41:15 PM
I think it will save midi edits. The in-line midi editing will mean there will be the capability to chop and change midi as desired. I imagine that both midi clips and linear midi tracks will be able to exist side by side as in Sonar. At least this is what I hope. |
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Subject:I think March for the release date
Reply by: busterkeaton
Date:1/19/2006 3:58:27 PM
probably mid March, I think the press release mentions it. |
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Subject:RE: I think March for the release date
Reply by: drbam
Date:1/19/2006 5:15:32 PM
I'm especially curious whether the editing power that Vegas has (the only thing that keeps me using it) will be integrated into Acid 6. Vegas is so fast and powerful in this area that it easily smokes everthing else. I hope this same strength is seen in Acid 6. drbam |
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Subject:RE: I think March for the release date
Reply by: J Psycle
Date:1/19/2006 6:37:55 PM
Holy. Fucking. Shit. I just did a backflip ...drool |
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Subject:RE: I think March for the release date
Reply by: busterkeaton
Date:1/19/2006 7:34:22 PM
From digitalproducer.com. Notice the retail price. Sony also bowed the latest version of ACID Pro 6 at NAMM, saying the new version includes major upgrades that transform ACID Pro 6 into a full-featured professional digital audio and MIDI workstation. It will include both multi-track recording and a MIDI sequencing environment. Scheduled for March availability, ACID Pro 6 will retail for US $399.95. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: PumiceT
Date:1/20/2006 6:04:19 AM
never had multitrack recording. You could play back as many tracks at once as you wished, but you could only record one new track at a time. Ahhhh... MULTITRACK RECORDING... that's the difference. I've always had just me and 1 microphone to worry about, so single-track recording was fine. This certainly IS a step in the right direction. Sweet deal. :thumbsup: |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: SHTUNOT
Date:1/20/2006 6:30:08 AM
Hey Pumice T... Don't forget... On the fly punch in/out recording. Record input monitoring. Nice huh? Fun Fun Fun! Ed. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Illogical
Date:1/20/2006 9:00:16 AM
Alright Sony, you did good with this one...of course I'm assuming this one isn't gonna be as buggy as 5 was when it first dropped ; ) Any word on upgrade pricing? |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: [r]Evolution
Date:1/20/2006 1:05:02 PM
I'm Loving the New Features! I'm already saving up for the upgrade. (hmmm... maybe if I don't eat for a week.) Sony/SoFo definitely needs to get some Graphic Designers though. That's one Helluvan ugly box. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: coolout
Date:1/20/2006 1:39:18 PM
"Sony/SoFo definitely needs to get some Graphic Designers though. That's one Helluvan ugly box." What are you trying get a job or something? The Acid 6 box is perfectly simple and understated IMHO. Message last edited on1/20/2006 1:40:28 PM bycoolout. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: ozzborn
Date:1/20/2006 2:13:19 PM
i really hope its stable but it looks great has anyone played with it at namm |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: filterthing
Date:1/20/2006 2:45:17 PM
any idea what the upgrade price from ap5 will be? 150 like the last one? |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: JohnnyRoy
Date:1/22/2006 6:19:03 AM
Wow, you loose power in a winter storm for a few days and Sony announces a new version of your favorite software. ;-) ACID Pro 6 looks like it’s going to be totally awesome. It seems Sony has listened very carefully to its customers and finally turned ACID into a full fledged DAW and MIDI Sequencer. No more “What midi sequencer should I rewire ACID too?” questions. (I’m gonna miss them... sniff... sniff...) ;-) It’s also good to see that the reaction from the community has been very positive. With the power of a full MIDI sequencer and multi-track DAW behind the simplicity and clean lines of the ACID user interface, this is going to be the audio app to content with. Bravo Sony! ~jr |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Weevil
Date:1/22/2006 6:46:50 AM
Yep and the word on the crossfade forum from ziggly who was at NAMM is that the majority of the editing ‘n’ commands ‘n’ stuff (slip editing etc) have been ported over from Vegas. This is just further awesome news. Feels like a massive weight has been lifted from my shoulders. Without doubt the best ACID update ever. Another bottle of champagne boys. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: jumbuk
Date:1/22/2006 2:52:08 PM
Yep, Johnny. And your *wink* *wink* response to my earlier post about control surfaces was right on the money! |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Illogical
Date:1/22/2006 5:56:49 PM
This is dope indeed, but the thing that isn't clear to me is if you are now able to record automation via a control surface. Can you ride the faders and have Acid create an envelope (volume, panning, wet/dry etc) based on your input as the song plays or is this just for mixing and controlling plug-ins offline? |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: drbam
Date:1/22/2006 8:07:25 PM
"Can you ride the faders and have Acid create an envelope (volume, panning, wet/dry etc) based on your input as the song plays " If you aren't able to do this, then it shouldn't be called "control surface support." drbam |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: jwcarney
Date:1/23/2006 10:18:59 AM
If it lives up to the promo material, I may have to reconsider getting that M-Audio ProjectMix I/O console. External control and recording interface all in one. I couldn't justify it for Vegas alone. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: JohnnyRoy
Date:1/23/2006 10:36:06 AM
> I may have to reconsider getting that M-Audio ProjectMix I/O console. Oh yea! I got my eye on that too. It looks like it has all the capabilities of the Mackie but also includes 8x8 analog IO. Was thinking of getting an Echo Layla and Mackie but the ProjectMix I/O does both for less. Does anyone here have one and can comment on how good it is? How are the mic-pres? etc. ~jr |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: H2000
Date:1/23/2006 11:49:34 AM
Just as many of us had hoped! Vegas' recording, editing, and mixing capabilities combined with Acid. It will be a real time saver for me not to have to transfer ideas from Acid to Vegas. They could've stopped there and made many people happy, but they also added: "a new high-performance multi-threaded audio engine, we've reengineered ACID Pro 6 software to perform faster and more efficiently not only on dual-core and multiprocessor systems, but also on single-CPU machines providing more efficient track buffering for higher performance at lower latencies" and I love the new project sections feature! man, could it be any easier to arrange and rearrange song structures? I'm really looking forward to it. Hopefully it will get a proper beta testing and come to the market strong and clean. I know there are a lot of people who will be looking for that. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: merlyn
Date:1/23/2006 10:00:12 PM
Great minds think a like! I'm eye balling the Project I/O Console as well. If you come across any reviews for it, let me know! |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: busterkeaton
Date:1/24/2006 3:15:38 AM
In Vegas you can ride the faders and it creates tons of envelope keyframes as you do so. Then there is a function called "Thin Envelope" which then adjusts these hundreds of keyframes down to more manageable envelope curve. It probably will work the same way. |
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Subject:Native Instruments Kompakt sampler
Reply by: busterkeaton
Date:1/24/2006 3:37:14 AM
from Mix's NAMM blog. The new version of Acid is here. Sony Acid Pro 6 is not your older brother’s loop arranger. While it can still do everything from versions past, Acid Pro 6 is now a full-fledged DAW, including multitrack recording of audio and video. Other new features include unlimited numbers of audio files per track, automatic crossfades between those files, punch-in loop recording for multiple takes of audio or MIDI and much more. The bonus inclusion of a version of Native Instruments Kompakt sampler with an exclusive 2GB sound library means that this release will make March (when it’s due) a little hotter than usual. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: InformationSponge
Date:1/24/2006 6:35:37 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if this Acid6 annoucement was pushed out quickly, especially since the new Adobe Audition 2.0 is now available. Adobe did one hell of an upgrade to that package, biggest upgrade in years. I just love competition, it only means that things will get better in all software packages of this type. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Illogical
Date:1/24/2006 8:26:34 AM
Plus Kompakt...that's cool. Hopefully you can still load other samples into it too, rather than it just being a Rompler type of deal. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: porkjelly
Date:1/24/2006 8:49:17 AM
The specs on the new Audition do look mighty nice. Makes me wonder how far Sony will go with the next Sound Forge. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: InformationSponge
Date:1/24/2006 11:39:06 AM
Remember that Audition is also a multi-track editor and also features looping and a lot of the functionality that Acid does (less MIDI). It's not just a Sound Forge-like audio editor. It's kind of like a combination of Sound Force, Vegas, and ACID. The demo track that came with it was very impressive and it included a PDF that described the process they went through, talent they used and a bunch other tidbits about how it was put together. Message last edited on1/24/2006 11:40:16 AM byInformationSponge. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Zacchino
Date:1/24/2006 11:43:27 AM
>It's kind of like a combination of Sound Force, Vegas, and ACID Well, I'm not quite sure about that one ^^. In fact, it's a great audio editor, with outstanding DSP effects (reverbs are unbeatable). But for the multitrack part, well that's just a beginning. So I don't think you can say that it's a "combination" of Vegas and Acid. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: busterkeaton
Date:1/24/2006 12:30:24 PM
I can virtually guarantee that is not the case. The probably have had that planned for months. NAMM is the place to announce a product. The product team probably has the date circled a year ago. Then the question is "What can we have at NAMM?" It's even better if you introduce a NAMM, but Sony didn't do that. They obviously still have stuff to work in the product, but they announced the for-sure features of Acid 6. Sony was giving little hints months ago that Vegas 6 was going to be a big release. Sony's Dave Chaimson mentioned this at a meeting of the NYC Vegas Users Group in November. He also said that Sony was doing it's biggest loops promotion in 2006. If you go to sony.com/freeloops you can register for a Sony Music calendar with a disk of loops. He said it was going to be their biggest mailing ever. Notice how none of the folks under NDA are speaking? This is probably written into their NDA. I bet they knew there was going to be a NAMM announcement, but that this would not release them from the NDA. I bet the dates are stated in the NDA. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: rsp
Date:1/24/2006 12:50:06 PM
Pity for us Eurofolks or folks around the world, the offer at sony.com/freeloops is US Only.... Rudi |
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Subject:serves you right
Reply by: busterkeaton
Date:1/24/2006 4:29:30 PM
for celebrating different holidays! :) I don't know if any of the loops were unique, I noticed that I recognized lots of loops from the 8packs on Acid planet. |
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Subject:RE: serves you right
Reply by: Illogical
Date:1/25/2006 8:45:57 AM
pffft, those 'free' loops they sent were the same ones I had already paid for when I purchased Acid Pro 5. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: JohnnyRoy
Date:1/25/2006 9:57:49 AM
The way many NDA’s work is that you can’t disclose anything that is not public. Since Sony publicly announced the release of ACID Pro 6 with a feature list at NAMM, it is perfectly acceptable for someone under NDA to acknowledge ACID Pro 6 exists and that the announced features exist. They still cannot elaborate on how the features work since that was not publicly discussed in the announcement. So those who are under NDA are still bound by the NDA to not disclose anything that isn’t public until a downloadable release is available. ~jr Message last edited on1/25/2006 10:59:28 PM byJohnnyRoy. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Spectralis
Date:1/25/2006 11:15:01 AM
I'll pass on the loops and just pay for the download. I've never been very impressed with the sounds that come with any of the hosts I've bought. I hope Sony includes midi FX or MFX capability like Cubase and Sonar. I often find them very useful. There are some good third party MFX available. I'm desperate to be able to control VST's (vocoders etc.) via midi. I hope this is also included in v6. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:1/25/2006 11:17:55 AM
"So those who are under NDA are still bound by the NDA to not disclose anything that isn’t public until a downloadable release is available." So there! :) mu...mu...muhahahahaha...haa Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid Buy Instant ACID by JohnnyRoy and mD! mD at ACIDplanet Message last edited on1/25/2006 11:18:38 AM byIacobus. |
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Subject:RE: They've done it!!!
Reply by: busterkeaton
Date:1/25/2006 12:28:56 PM
They can also talk about them in abstract hypotheticals. Or at the very least they could imagine a company that could conceivably do it that way. :) |