Subject:Playback bleeding onto recording track

Posted by: fragus

Date:12/17/2005 6:35:52 PM

This used to work flawlessly....
Now when I record, the tracks that are playing mix into the channel I am recording on. So, if I lay down drums for instance and then record bass while the drum tracks are playing, the final result are the drums AND the bass on the recorded track.

Any ideas?

Subject:RE: Playback bleeding onto recording track

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:12/18/2005 8:39:10 AM

You are recording in “What-U-Hear” mode which is why your sound card is recording everything including what is being played on the speakers. You need to go into the volume control panel and set the recording device to just the input you want to record (avoid anything with the word "mix" in the name). Then make sure ACID is also set to just this input in the recording device section of the Record dialog. This will give you just that input.

~jr

Subject:RE: Playback bleeding onto recording track

Reply by: jusscake

Date:12/20/2005 9:01:46 PM

hello,

im having this problem as well. could you give detailed instructions on how to do this? i cant for the life of me figure it out.

(the problem is that when i record my guitar or vocal, i hear the metronome and the other tracks on my guitar or vocal track).

thanks,

justin

Subject:RE: Playback bleeding onto recording track

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:12/21/2005 7:38:06 AM

> could you give detailed instructions on how to do this?

What sound card do you have?

These are soundcard specific settings and you really need to read the instructions for your sound card and understand how it works. Stay away from any setting with the word “Mix” in it. I use to have a Creative Audigy 2 card so I know how that works with it’s “What-U-Hear” mode. Pro sound cards like the M-Audio Firewire 410, Echo Layla, etc. aren’t even capable of making this mistake. They never record the output back into the input unless you physically use an external patch cable to do this.

If your soundcard is by Creative Labs, they have their own volume control application that replaces the Windows volume control and you should use that. It will have settings to control the recording input and it defaults to “What U Hear” mode. Just set it for your input only (i.e., mic or line). You don’t want “What-U-Hear” as that will record the outputs back into the inputs.

If you are just using the sound from your motherboard consider buying a real sound card. ;-) In lieu of that, go into the Volume Control Panel, select Options > Properties and select the Recording radio button. Make sure the input you want to record from is checked and then press OK. Finally, back out at the main volume control window (which should be showing the record inputs) make sure only the input you want to record from is checked.

~jr

Subject:RE: Playback bleeding onto recording track

Reply by: jusscake

Date:12/21/2005 7:57:38 PM

hi thanks for the response!

right now im just using the soundcard that came with my comp. hopefully i can fix the prob using your advice ( just ordered your book via amazon).

what would you recomend for a sound card? and what exactly is the process of removing my old one and putting in a new soundcard?

-justin

Subject:RE: Playback bleeding onto recording track

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:12/22/2005 7:56:45 AM

If the old soundcard is built into the motherboard then you just have to disable it in the BIOS. If you really have a physical sound card like a Creative Live then you might not need to buy another one. Without knowing your computer specs it’s hard to tell (and you don’t have them listed in your profile)

As for which sound card to buy, it depends on your usage and budget. I like the M-Audio cards. They have the Audiophile 2496 which is only $99 but it has RCA inputs and outputs so you would need a mixer if you want to use a microphone. There are a number of M-Audio devices made specifically for guitar players that have one instrument input and one XLR mic input (with a preamp). You can also get something like the Firewire Solo or Firewire 410 (which I have). Echo also makes some great cards (MiaMIDI, Gina, & Layla). So it would be difficult to recommend a card without knowing how you intent to use it.

~jr

Subject:RE: Playback bleeding onto recording track

Reply by: jusscake

Date:12/22/2005 10:53:03 AM

ok, well right now i want to try to get this to work without buying a new sound card.

you mentioned bios. so how do i do this? i tried fixing it using the above advice and there is still bleeding. it looks like my soundcard is a sound mapper or a sound max? not sure. either way, it came with the comp and its bleeding. please help.

justin

Subject:RE: Playback bleeding onto recording track

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:12/23/2005 7:21:17 AM

If you aren’t buying a new sound card then you don’t want to disable the sound in the BIOS. That’s only AFTER you buy a new sound card.

There will be a little bit of bleeding on a cheap motherboard sound chip but it should sound more like tape crosstalk, not a very strong signal. Is this what you’re hearing or is it really recording everything that’s being played? If it’s just a little bleeding in the background, that’s as good as your soundcard gets (sorry). Motherboard soundcards are optimized for playback, not recording.

Also, this may be obvious (so forgive me for asking) but if you are using a microphone, make sure your speakers are OFF and you are using headphones, otherwise the speakers will bleed into the mic. (like I said sorry if this is obvious but I have to ask since you tried everything else that should have made it work)

If none of this fixes it, your last shot is to contact the computer manufacturer and ask for help with recording. I just tried using the Microsoft Sound Mapper with my motherboard sound chip and I did not have this problem while recording through a microphone. The other ACID tracks did not get recorded.

You said in another post that you use to record with an analog 4-track. So I assume you are not going to be happy with the noisy results you are going to get from your motherboard sound card anyway. (the noise floor on my mobo sound chip is -40db! The noise floor on my M-Audio Firewire 410 doesn’t even register on the ACID meters its so low!!!)

If money is a concern, get yourself an M-Audio FastTrack USB for $99. It has ASIO drivers, a balanced XLR mic input and a line/instrument input and you don’t even have to open your computer up to install it because it’s USB. For recording one track at a time (mono recording) it will get the job done with 24bit/48K quality.

If you need stereo recording to transfer some of your tapes, get yourself an M-Audio Audiophile 2496 ($99) and a Behringer UB802 Eurorack 8 Input Mixer ($49).

Add to either of these an Audio-Technica AT2020 mic ($99) and you will have a sweet setup for recording high quality audio with minimal cost.

~jr

Subject:RE: Playback bleeding onto recording track

Reply by: pwppch

Date:12/25/2005 9:45:25 PM

You need to identify the manufacture of the sound hardware built into your PC.

Please, do the following step, by step:

1. Click start button and locate and open the control pannel
2. Doulbe click/run/launch from control pannel the "Sound and Audio Devices" applet.
3. On the very first property page (tab) that is displayed it should clearly indicate the name of the hardware that is in use on your system.

What does this say?

Now, from this property page,
1. locate the "Device volume" area.
2. Click the "Advanced.." button. This will launch the Volume Control applet for Windows.
3. Cick the "Options" menu item and select "Properties"
4. A dialog labeled "Properties" will show.
5. There is a combo box that is labled "Mixer Device". What is the active item displayed here?
6. There are at LEAST two radio buttons in the "Adjust volume for" area. Select (Left Click) on the one labeled "Recording".
7. The list box labeled "Show the following volume controls" will list all available Recording /input devices available.
8. PLEASE LIST ALL ITEMS displayed in this area and post back here.
8. Check ALL of these items and click OK. You will be returned back to the Windows Mixer with all of the available input devices.
9. On each mixer device, there is a check box that says "Select". Please note the state of all of these and provide this information here.
10. If you are recording from your Line in, then make sure that ONLY that item has its "Select" check box enabled. If there is an item labeled "what your hear" or "Wave" UNCHECK those.

What you are doing:
Your problem is that what you are telling ACID to play out is also being routed to the input of the sound card by Windows. If you follow the steps I outlined, then you are telling Windows to ONLY record input from your Line Input of your sound card.

NOTE: If you want to record from the Microphone Input of your sound card, then ONLY "Select" that item.

Please, respond in detail with the information I requested. This is the only way I can help you.

Peter

Subject:RE: Playback bleeding onto recording track

Reply by: jusscake

Date:12/26/2005 2:03:17 PM

3. On the very first property page (tab) that is displayed it should clearly indicate the name of the hardware that is in use on your system.

What does this say? ====soundmax digital audio



Now, from this property page,
1. locate the "Device volume" area.
2. Click the "Advanced.." button. This will launch the Volume Control applet for Windows.
3. Cick the "Options" menu item and select "Properties"
4. A dialog labeled "Properties" will show.


5. There is a combo box that is labled "Mixer Device". What is the active item displayed here? ===== soundmax digital audio


6. There are at LEAST two radio buttons in the "Adjust volume for" area. Select (Left Click) on the one labeled "Recording".
7. The list box labeled "Show the following volume controls" will list all available Recording /input devices available.


8. PLEASE LIST ALL ITEMS displayed in this area and post back
here. ==== cd player, microphone, mono out, wave out mix


8. Check ALL of these items and click OK. You will be returned back to the Windows Mixer with all of the available input devices.


9. On each mixer device, there is a check box that says "Select". Please note the state of all of these and provide this information here. ====== olny the mic is selected. the volumes for all the devices are in the middle.


10. If you are recording from your Line in, then make sure that ONLY that item has its "Select" check box enabled. If there is an item labeled "what your hear" or "Wave" UNCHECK those.

What you are doing:
Your problem is that what you are telling ACID to play out is also being routed to the input of the sound card by Windows. If you follow the steps I outlined, then you are telling Windows to ONLY record input from your Line Input of your sound card.

NOTE: If you want to record from the Microphone Input of your sound card, then ONLY "Select" that item.

Please, respond in detail with the information I requested. This is the only way I can help you.

Peter






i have had the mic as the only selected device for about a week and the problem is persisting.

thank you for your help.

justin

Subject:RE: Playback bleeding onto recording track

Reply by: pwppch

Date:12/26/2005 8:17:07 PM

>>i have had the mic as the only selected device for about a week and the problem is persisting.<<

What device are you telling ACID to use for playback/record:

Mapper or SoundMax Digital Audio?

Try this:

1. Do not plug ANY source into your mic or line input on your computer.

2. Run ACID.
3. Add a single track with a single loop painted out.
4. Record.

Does the track that you added get recorded?

Peter

Subject:RE: Playback bleeding onto recording track

Reply by: jusscake

Date:12/28/2005 1:25:18 PM

"What device are you telling ACID to use for playback/record:

Mapper or SoundMax Digital Audio?"


i had it on sound mapper. the thing is, soundmax is greyed out for playback and not listed at all for recording.

-justin

Subject:RE: Playback bleeding onto recording track

Reply by: pwppch

Date:12/28/2005 4:29:35 PM

What this greying means isthat "you can't select any other output because there are no more ouputs.".

So, when you select Wave Classic Drivers in ACID, the SoundMax will be greyed out because you only have a single Wave MME sound output device on your system.

So, go ahead and select Windows Classic Wave Driver as your audio device type.

When you click the record button, you should see whatever inputs the SoundMax exposes. If it doesn't expose any, then you will not see anything in the Record Device combo box in the record dialog.

Peter

Subject:RE: Playback bleeding onto recording track

Reply by: jusscake

Date:12/29/2005 5:32:55 PM

could the bleeding happen because i always record with the 'monitor' box checked?

-justin

Subject:RE: Playback bleeding onto recording track

Reply by: pwppch

Date:12/30/2005 6:46:46 PM

No.

I have tested with the SoundMax hardware. I cannot reproduce the problem.

There is something that you are not explaining or there is something with your hardware settings that is different.


Peter

Subject:RE: Playback bleeding onto recording track

Reply by: jusscake

Date:1/9/2006 1:20:06 PM

thanks for the help. i bought a soundcard and the situation is fixed.

justin

Subject:RE: Playback bleeding onto recording track

Reply by: Bagpiper57

Date:9/4/2014 3:19:03 PM

I have just bought ACID 7.0 and I am finding the same trouble as the thread implies. I have a NVIDIA soundcard and the explaination in the thread doesnt really help. I am running windows 7.0 on a Lenovo Ideacenter.

I lay a drum track down and when I record my gutar, it sounds like 2 drum tracks playing at once.

Kind of a common problem I see? Please help if possible. Thanks.