Scene Detection

DaveF wrote on 11/6/2005, 6:39 PM
I just installed the 6.0c upgrade (from my Vegas 5) and couldn't find a way to set Scene detection. After searching here, I see that the HDV codec doesn't allow it.

A $249 upgrade to get an HDV codec, and they took away the Scene Detection feature? So, instead of having Vegas save a separate clip for each time I hit PAUSE on the camera, I now have to spend hours either logging or cutting a 6 GB video clip into separate clips for editing? How many editors edit with ONE CLIP as their source material? Has Sony completely lost their minds? Oh, yes, I can always "Buy a plug in."

No wonder HDV doesn't work in the demo software, if anyone saw they were giving up scene detection, they'd buy a different product. If you ask me, Sony has crippled their program, and hidden that crippled feature in the demo so no one would realise it until they had coughed up their money.

Comments

Serena wrote on 11/6/2005, 8:15 PM
That's a point of view. Perhaps you should search for a recent thread on this subject. I would find editing 6GB without logging it before cutting would be a challenging task, but people work in different ways. You don't have to spend anything more for the HDV codec because it's included in v6. If you're referring to Cineform HD Connect as a standalone package, yes that's extra and worth it, even though most of it is in v6. In my opinion cutting the material into clips prior to logging makes the reviewing process much more tedious, but people do do it. You can load the captured material into the trimmer for logging and clipping. There is no need to put it onto the timeline, if that's a concern.
PeterWright wrote on 11/6/2005, 8:17 PM
Scene Detection has not been "taken away" - it is still there for DV capture in Vidcap. Vegas has not YET implemented it for HDV, that's all.

Incidentally, I for one almost always capture tapes as single clips, then create sortable subclips via Regions in the Trimmer.
Spot|DSE wrote on 11/6/2005, 8:24 PM
HDV does allow for scene detection, just that it can be squirrely with MPEG 2 is all.
You can:
1. Purchase the full version of CineForm, which will usually capture scenes correctly.
2. Capture full timeline and pull subclips or regions from the Trimmer.
3. Use a conversion tool like GearShift to provide a similar workflow, but also convert to the Vegas-included CineForm codec in one shot/batching.
DaveF wrote on 11/7/2005, 4:49 AM
I guess I assumed everyone edits the way I do. My mistake.

What I have done in the past when editing DV was to capture the entire tape, letting Vegas break it up into individual scenes based on where it saw pauses in the tape. It worked very well for editing B-Roll, which is what I've been using Vegas for, because it splits up the individual shots without me having to log it first. Saves me time.

Several folks made the point that it makes sense to log the tape before capturing, and of course that is a correct statement. When I edit from Betacam tape on our FCP system, we always log in advance.

I was PO that a previous feature disappeared, and since HDV capture was disabled in the demo software, I didn't realize what I was giving up until I purchased the software. For the type of work I have been doing with Vegas in the past, scene detection was an extremely useful tool.

As far as HDV having problems with scene detection, I find that hard to believe since the HDConnect utility does it.

Thanks for taking the time to read and respond to my rant.

Dave