Subject:Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Posted by: Klemperer

Date:6/18/2005 10:56:23 AM

Hi there,

maybe I'll win the worst-question-ever-award :-), but here we go: I got my SF8 update with CD architect a while ago. Now the new Computermusic says: SF8 comes with CD-architect AND noise reduction 2. Up to now I thought this noise reduction would be the "expressFX audio restoration" in Soundforge 8 (blush). A friend told me this would be wrong. So is "Noise reduction 2" not included in my order, as it is a single product on its own? (Order Number 5873229-3850)?

Well, any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: BobM

Date:6/18/2005 12:37:55 PM

There may be some places bundling them together, but as far as I know, the regular SF8 package does not include NR2. I know I didn't get it.

BobM

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: Klemperer

Date:6/19/2005 1:04:32 PM

Thanks! It was just because the new Computermusic (87) mentions it, you get CD Architect AND NR2. So I thought (and think) if it's in the price, why should early buyers don't have it :-).

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: Logic Circuit

Date:6/21/2005 6:07:01 AM

In an advert in Sound on Sound magazine it says that Noise Reduction 2 is included. Inside back cover in the July issue and a few previous issues.
I have upgraded to version 8 but I don't think I have Noise Reduction 2.

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: MJhig

Date:6/21/2005 8:47:56 AM

Third party vendors (which I suspect the Sound on Sound article is referring to) often bundle other apps. Sony (and other MFG's) don't.

If you buy directly from Sony (retail) without searching other vendors then you get what you get.

I got SF 5.0 plus the NR 2.0 package from HarborBay for $199, less than the price for NR 2.0 from SF/Sony.

Use your browser, PriceGrabber, Nextag, Froogle, etc.

MJ

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: rraud

Date:6/21/2005 9:07:22 AM

At a risk from being eliminated/terminated from this forum from the SONY GODS, like many before me.. I will attempt an answer::

Noise Reduction. 2.0 is not generally bunlged with SF-8, however, third-party sellers have offered this bunlged package. In some instancs, I would consider it as a good buy.

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:6/21/2005 1:45:14 PM

"In an advert in Sound on Sound magazine it says that Noise Reduction 2 is included. "

Was that a Sony ad, a bundle put together by a particular retailer, or a specific promotion ?

geoff

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: rsp

Date:6/23/2005 2:04:17 AM

Should admit thinking it was included in SF8 as i understood it was in previous versions. In the end i should have doublechecked myself!

However it would be a nice gesture if SF8 (and other Sony software) users would be offered the Noise Reduction with a fair discount.

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: Logic Circuit

Date:6/24/2005 1:28:43 AM

Yes, it was a Sony advert, not an article, for Sound Forge 8 on the inside back cover of Sound on Sound.

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: Radia

Date:6/30/2005 12:42:50 AM

There was a review in Australia's Audio Technology magazine which also said it came with NR 2 as well - would be nice to get a word or two from someone at Sony on this.

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: MR G

Date:9/13/2005 5:41:50 AM

I've just purchased this months' [OCT] Future Music magazine here in the UK. Not only did this mag mention that NR 2 was "free in the box" there was also a screenshot of the plug-in.
I also saw SF 8 with NR 2 on sale at Digital Village's web site.

I've searched the importers web site in the UK that was mentioned in the write up within Future Music and there is no mention of NR 2.And there is no mention on Sony's site.

It seems strange that a number of magazines have mentioned this plugin in their review cause if it isn't there how can they review it.
I know when I recently installed the 8.0b update it wasn't there.

As I've upgraded from version SF4.5 > SF5 > SF8 I have forked out £237.55 + $149.99 + $99.99 which is in the region of £370 [still missing NR 2] which is nearly double what Digital Village is advertising SF8 + NR 2.

Can someone from Sony explain why magazine test reviews are including NR2 but Sony's site doesn't.
Who's being conned new customers or old?

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: rsp

Date:9/13/2005 6:16:08 AM

More fun here: http://www.videoguys.com/soundforge.html

Sound Forge 8 w/ CD Architect 5.2 and Noise Reduction Plug-In $249.95

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: RJ Fielder

Date:9/20/2005 9:31:30 AM

I purchased Sound Forge 8 from an online retailer a month or so ago for $199 shipped and it included Noise Reduction 2.0 as well. My take on the situation (and feel free to correct me if you know otherwise): If you're coming to Sony's store to shop, the only real decision is whether to get the full or Studio version. At other vendors, however, Sony's product has to compete with other audio editing software for your dollars. I've noticed that most online vendors sell versions of both Acid Pro 5.0 and Sound Forge 8 that come with bonus software not included if you buy at Sony Media Software (Acid comes with Sound Forge Audio Studio, SF with NR2 of course). If I were to make an educated guess, I'd say these special bundles were given to retailers in order to entice shoppers to pick Sony's products over a competitor's since, as the sticker on the front of my box says, it includes free software worth "Over US $500 Value".

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:9/21/2005 3:36:37 PM

"Can someone from Sony explain why magazine test reviews are including NR2 but Sony's site doesn't.
Who's being conned new customers or old? "

The mags are reviews bundlwes supplied to them by a distributor or retailer, as their bundle. If they are not explaining this, then that is a failing of those reviews, not SOny.

Howvere it *would* be nice if included as standard....

geoff

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: barleycorn

Date:9/22/2005 2:45:50 PM

> Howvere it *would* be nice if included as standard....

It would also seem more fair to current users (i.e. those who would expect to upgrade via this site): there's something wrong if it's cheaper for new users to get Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction 2 than it is for those who have licensed previous versions.

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: ashtangakasha

Date:9/23/2005 8:14:18 AM

It looks like Sony is experiencing the "right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing" syndrome. They ARE offering NR2 bundled with SF8 on their US SonyStyle website.

http://tinyurl.com/agtla

The URL above is a page on SonyStyle.com, advertising SF8 with NR2 for $249.95. In case the tinyurl doesn't work, it's under Movies Music & Games / Media Editing Software / Audio Editing.

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: MR G

Date:9/24/2005 5:21:28 PM

I've phoned Sony and a retailer here in the UK about this subject. My retailer has to me it's an offer that Sony are doing.
Sony have told me that only certain retailers can offer this [obviously by their approval]
It's not offered on their own website. [usually things are cheaper on the net]
I did write an e-mail complaining that over the course of a few years I would have paid double that someone lucky enough to buy this package now would pay and still have a plugin less. I have recieved an opology in an e-mail unfortuanatly this e-mail has yet to turn itself into NR2.
After sending a sarcastic reply to this I was offer a small percentage off the retail price for this plugin.

Obviously this seems fair to the powers that be just not to me.

/ and a few others writing on this thread.

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: jackn2mpu

Date:9/26/2005 6:07:25 AM

Something nobody has mentioned here is: is the included NR a demo version or what? Somehow or other I got it on a legitimate, purchased disk at home and it's just the demo version. I still have to pay Sony for unrestricted use of the program. All this did for me was to save me the trouble of downloading the program from Sony's site.
Jack

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: cabonium

Date:9/27/2005 4:49:17 PM

Anyway, the NR2.0a crashs a lot on small loops using Soundforge8 (110).
That never happens on previous Soundforge version like 7 or 6.

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: MyST

Date:9/28/2005 9:14:57 AM

Come to think of it... Chevy didn't offer me no stinkin' 0% on my purchase 8 months ago! Why should newer buyers get that? I've been buying Chevys for decades! I want that deal to!

BTW... how would Sony ever get anybody to sell their software if they were to match their distributors' prices all the time?

Mario

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: barleycorn

Date:9/29/2005 4:08:33 AM

> how would Sony ever get anybody to sell their software if they were to match their distributors' prices all the time?

The only problem is that upgrades are only available from Sony (one can't shop around).

One can of course argue that upgrades are no different from any other special offer (they're effectively trade-ins) but this does ignore prevailing expectations that (1) existing customers will be treated preferentially, and (2) existing users will want to upgrade promptly (i.e. not hang around for the sales).

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: drbam

Date:9/29/2005 7:06:50 AM

" how would Sony ever get anybody to sell their software if they were to match their distributors' prices all the time?"

I think the issue here is more related to how Sony is losing customer respect within its existing audio market/user base. In this specific situation, they could simply let their registered users know via an email announcement that they offer a typical "find a better deal – we'll match it" kind of policy – even if it means an occasional small rebate/refund. Again, this would be restricted to their registered user base and Sony could easily avoid these kinds of discussions from even getting started and perhaps repair some of the negative rep they've generated over the past couple of years.

drbam

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: MyST

Date:9/29/2005 7:16:15 AM

So I take it whoever used the upgrade deal wouldn't be eligible since they'd already gotten a rebate?
Again... would you agree to sell their software if you knew they would always match whatever deal it is you were going to offer your customers?
Personally, I wouldn't touch that agreement if I was a software reseller.

Mario

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: drbam

Date:9/29/2005 9:10:36 AM

"So I take it whoever used the upgrade deal wouldn't be eligible since they'd already gotten a rebate?
Again... would you agree to sell their software if you knew they would always match whatever deal it is you were going to offer your customers? Personally, I wouldn't touch that agreement if I was a software reseller."

You're clearly missing my point. I'm referring to REGISTERED USERS only. As barleycorn pointed out and I agree, loyal users should have access to the best deal available for Sony audio software – period! Its customary to expect the best deal to be offered directly by the manufacturer to its registered users as upgrades and other similar discounts. If I could get the software cheaper at Best Buy (or where ever) I certainly would have even less loyality to Sony than I have now. At any rate, no sensible reseller is going to expect that a customer such as myself (long time registered user) would buy from them anyway. I am not included in their market base.

drbam

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: MyST

Date:9/29/2005 9:28:32 AM

All registered users, who have selected to be told about special offers, get the upgrade offer when a new release is put out.
I haven't looked around, but I don't think any other reseller can touch that offer, can they?
How would you suggest they do the price matching if you've gotten say, Sound Forge at $99? Charge you the difference between $99 and whatever the other guy's price is? So if reseller A is selling it $249 for both, Sony would charge you $150 for Noise Reducrtion via a download maybe?
I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm asking.
Hey, maybe we can come up with a way of doing it that Sony hasn't thought of yet.
:-)

Mario

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: rsp

Date:9/29/2005 11:53:44 AM

Registered users of Sony Software should indeed get discounts and especially for plugins or upgrades within the Sony Software Family.

One thing you can add for resellers is that most of them will ship software on cd instead of the offered download in the online shop, although the NR plugin is only available as download?!

Rudi

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: MrMenace

Date:9/30/2005 3:52:18 PM

I purchased the NR product with SF6 on CD, so I guess it isn't always download only.


Dennis

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: RJ Fielder

Date:10/1/2005 6:04:12 AM

"Something nobody has mentioned here is: is the included NR a demo version or what? Somehow or other I got it on a legitimate, purchased disk at home and it's just the demo version. I still have to pay Sony for unrestricted use of the program. All this did for me was to save me the trouble of downloading the program from Sony's site".

The copy that came with my Sound Forge 8 was the full version, although it ran in demo mode until you entered the serial number (printed on the CD envelope).

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: luces1

Date:10/2/2005 8:48:38 AM

Being unsure of what the "hub-bub" was about, I decided to actually look at the product page for this Noise Reduction and I was wondering how is this different than the included "repair" tools that are included in SF8? I mean, I see the "Audio Restoration" and clip detect and repair and interpolate, etc. Does it just give more presets and parameters or what? luces

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: MyST

Date:10/2/2005 12:53:26 PM

If you have, for example, air conditioning background noise in your recording, NR will help greatly in reducing it.

Mario

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: MrMenace

Date:10/3/2005 8:22:38 PM

The Noise Reduction product give you more control over the noise reduction process. Aside from the click and crackle remover it also has other tools. The noise reduction tool gives you the opportunity to take a noise print of the problem noise and then remove it from a section of the file or all of the file. You can then listen to what it did and if you don't like how it turns out, undo it, adjust and try again. It is a very powerful tool and is more than just audio restoration.



Dennis

Subject:RE: Noise reduction included in Soundforge8?

Reply by: inkling

Date:10/6/2005 3:58:50 PM

I too am unhappy with this situation.

When it comes to upgrade to sound forge 9.

How many users will think twice?
or even use a crossgrade to another?

I know I am thinking.

I too have mailed and have recieved a % off Nr2
but I begrudge paying.

Customers will vote with their wallets.
I just bought a Samsung Tv instead of a Sony due to this.