Sony YUV follow-up question

vitalforce wrote on 9/9/2005, 7:01 AM
I had asked yesterday about preserving maximum picture quality on a timeline render and the advice is to render to what I understand is uncompressed such as the Sony or Huffy YUV codec. How much bigger is the resulting avi? I'm just trying to plan the drive space I need. The total render is 90 minutes of DV.

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farss wrote on 9/9/2005, 7:16 AM
They're still compressed formats! The compression is less than DV and the color sampling is better. For the Sony YUV codec it's around 90GB per hour. Uncompressed at 4.4.4 is WAY bigger again.
jbaudrand wrote on 9/9/2005, 8:18 AM
hem, I m new.. and I will ask you a simple question, is it useful to render in YUV sony codec if the original source is in DV?
vitalforce2 wrote on 9/9/2005, 8:24 AM
Thanks farss. As the podiatry patient said, I stand corrected.
Chienworks wrote on 9/9/2005, 9:08 AM
jbraudrand: i've you've made any modifications at all, even titles or simple crossfades, rendering to YUV will suffer less degredation than rendering to DV. That being said, the difference is probably almost insigificant. SONY's DV codec is so good that it can stand up to dozens of generations without significant loss.
farss wrote on 9/9/2005, 3:26 PM
It's not a generational loss issue, DV doesn't do a spectacular job of handling text and graphics. If ALL of your source material is DV then I think there's really nothing to gain from using the Sony YUV codec however IF you've added text, graphics that's when you'll pickup a small advantage.
Bob.
TeetimeNC wrote on 9/10/2005, 5:45 AM
Farss, what strategy would you use for getting the crispest generated text in a video that also uses DV footage?

-jerry
farss wrote on 9/10/2005, 6:56 AM
Just composite it as per normal. The text itself is uncompressed RGB, so what you render out to is what makes the difference.

If you're adding text to a video shot in DV and you're going out to DVD then encoding directly from the timeline will give the best possible result.

If you're going out to DV tape then you will suffer some loss, it's very minor in PAL from my experience, probably worse in NSTC land.

Thing is you need to understand where the losses are hitting you. Going from DV or DVD to a monitor / TV via a composite video connection means you need to watch the video levels of your text as well as the sharpness of the color transition on the edge of the text, oftenly something a little less sharp will actualy come out better by avoiding ringing on the composite feed. For example 100% blue text on a 100% red background will really spin things out but yellow text on a brown background gets handled quite nicely.

There's quite a bit of information about these issues, do some Googling.

Bob.
Spot|DSE wrote on 9/10/2005, 8:18 AM
One thing you can do, is start with a higher resolution text. As farss has said, DV compression will still take its hit but, starting with a 1440 x 960 frame will help on the finer serifs and detail fonts. Test it out, you'll see.