Subject:? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Posted by: ROCKNROB

Date:8/21/2005 11:08:24 PM

Heys Gents new to this forum & new Sound Forge User

?.. I have Sound Forge 8 purchase from a retailer and is up and running with no problems. I have and had my computer guy upgrade to service pack 2 in (W, XP) and all the necessary security upgrades/updates installed on my computer; prior of installing SF 8, however I notice that Sony has an upgrade from SF 8 to SF 8 0b to fix some of the bugs in SF 8.

Do you guys know why or had this problem before, why it is asking me to install Service Pack 1 to upgrade to SF 8 0b, when my current SF 8 is to me running fine with no problems without the SP 1, and didn’t ask me to install SP 1prior installing SF 8 , though I am new to SF 8 software, and like I said my computer guy installed SP 2. Prior of installing SF 8 and it looks like I have NET Framework 1.1 in my computer

Would this render Service Pack 2 if not, is it really necessary to upgrade from SF 8 to SF 8 0b because it is kind of weird and confusing that I am running SF 8 without service pack 1.

My computer guy doesn’t recommend I do anything to my computer
(I’ve Had Crashes, always installing upgrades/updates)... I guess I’m an Upgrade Freak and I wouldn’t be writing to this forum if I wasn’t, and he ask me don’t install or do any upgrades to my computer with out his consent first.Though that is not allways the case.

So you can see I have my computer guy do all that now. Before when I see an update... Their I Go again installing and UPDATING….
That’s all I did.. Updating... Though what do I know.

So I thought I contact you guys first and wait for your response, before I contact my computer guy.Because I love SF and Updating to get the best product it has to offer..

Sorry Guys For the Long Winded Post.

What Should I Do.. Please Help
Proud New User of Sound Forge
Rob Dailey

Subject:RE: ? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Reply by: jackn2mpu

Date:8/22/2005 5:58:15 AM

SP2 even broke some of Microsoft's own programs, so don't feel bad about having the problem you're having. Don't let your computer guy railroad you. You'll have to take a more active role in maintaining your own computer and what you want or don't want on it. The best thing I can tell you is to have Windows completely re-installed WITHOUT SP2! Get a good firewall/antivirus program like Symantec's Norton Internet Security and regularly (weekly) update it over the net (new virus definitions, etc.) and that will take care of security problems when surfing the net. That is all SP2 really is - security measures that can be better done by third-party programs.
Something else SP2 breaks, and it takes a registry hack to fix - Firewire 800 ports. It effectively slows them down to FW100 speed.
Jack

Subject:RE: ? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Reply by: ROCKNROB

Date:8/22/2005 10:13:43 AM

Thanks Jack,
I never said I had any security problems surfing the net.
What I ask for in my post is maybe you know Jack, why it's asking me to install Service Pack 1 to upgrade to SF 8 0b, when my current SF 8 is running fine with no problems without the SP 1, and didn’t ask me to install SP 1 prior installing SF 8, though I am new to SF 8 software, I have NET Framework 1.1 in my computer & SP 2.

Jack it sounds like to me you are familiar with the SP 1 & 2 and reading from your post it sound like you are familiar with the SP Issues. What's the difference and what is better, though the third-party programs like Norton software make sense and Jack what is your OS you are you running, etc" do you have the S Pack's installed on your computer, Norton Software.

And reading from this post maybe I will stay with SF 8
Jack did you upgrade to SF 0b if so how are you doing with SF 0b

Thanks so much Jack
Rob

Subject:RE: ? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Reply by: jackn2mpu

Date:8/22/2005 10:49:40 AM

I didn't mean to imply you had security issues surfing the net; what I meant was that is about all SP2 is really for. Norton Internet Security, regularly updated, is probably the best way to go for security surfing the net. It's got it's own firewall, which is a LOT better than the one in XP. I run XP Home with SP1 installed; never going to install SP2 as I have no need for it. NIS is definitely the way to go. There are other firewall programs out there (Zone Alarm and Black Ice, etc.), but then you'd have to have a separate antivirus program. That means you'd be dealing with multiple programs to keep updated. A pain, believe me.
I have upgraded to SF8b, but ran into a problem. Actually, I upgraded Acid Pro to 5c (before upgrading SF) and lost access to my Edirol UA1000 sound I/O hardware. I still have access to the Echo Indigo I/O that's in my computer's PCMCIA slot using ASIO drivers. So I upgraded SF to rev b and am just working with the Echo for sound I/O. Haven't really rung-out the new version yet but it seems to be okay. Just wish I had broadband when downloading the updates - SF was just under 40 meg, IIRC, but Acid was around 100 meg, and I'm on dialup.
Jack

Subject:RE: ? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Reply by: ROCKNROB

Date:8/22/2005 11:10:40 AM

Thanks Jack

Do you know why Jack, I can run SF 8 without the SP 1 and then when I want to upgrade to SF 8 0b when it’s asking me to install
SP 1

How can this be that I’m running SF 8 in SP 2 as I save render MP3 audio files that I'm currently uploaded using on my Website ? Seems to me SF 8 is running fine without SP 1.

I'm Confused
Rob

Thanks Jack

Subject:RE: ? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Reply by: mpd

Date:8/22/2005 1:35:34 PM

What service packs are you talking about?

By SP2, do you mean WinXP Service Pack 2?

By SP1, do you mean WinXP Service Pack 1 or .NET Service Pack 1?

I believe .NET Service Pack 1 is required for SF8b for some of the bugfixes with scripting and the batch converter.

[edited to correct some typos]

Subject:RE: ? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Reply by: ROCKNROB

Date:8/22/2005 3:44:28 PM

Sorry, Win XP SP 2 with NET Framework 1.1

Do you mpd, know why or had this problem before, why it is asking me to install Service Pack 1 to upgrade to SF 8 0b, when my current SF 8 is to me, running fine on my Win XP with no problems without the SP 1, and didn’t ask me to install SP 1prior installing SF 8 , though I am new to SF 8 software, and like I said my computer guy installed SP 2. Prior of installing SF 8 and it looks like I have NET Framework 1.1

Note: SF 8 is running fine without SP 1 though I'm new to
Sound Forge......It's no big deal.. Just a little Confused why this is happing.

Thanks For Your Help

Rob

Subject:RE: ? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:8/22/2005 4:50:04 PM

Re not installing SP2:

If you don't install SP2, Microsoft drops support for Windows, so you will never be able to update again through Windows Update.

So who cares?

You will one day when the new release of Acid 15.0 or Cubase SX9 won't work without WinXP SP8.

Subject:RE: ? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:8/22/2005 5:32:00 PM

On the plus side of the service packs, i've got about 35 Windows XP computers under my control or responsibilty. We've installed XP SP2 and Net 1.1 with SP1 on all of them. Not one of them had any difficulty in the slightest. All installed hardware and software continued to perform at least as well as before. Most of the computers showed noticeable improvements in speed (not much, but still some) and almost all have shown drastic improvements in stability. I used to get at least one or two calls a day from users saying their computer had crashed. Now i haven't had a single call for that since SP2.

True, we don't use some of the more esoteric high-end sound cards that others in this forum use, so check carefully and talk to your hardware vendor first. But our experience has been that SP2 is a no-brainer and a definite improvement.

Subject:RE: ? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Reply by: MarkWWWW

Date:8/23/2005 4:31:37 AM

As mpd has suggested, I think you are getting confused between SP2 for Windows XP and SP1 for .NET Framework 1.1.

These are two completely separate items - you have already got one of them installed (SP2 for Windows XP) and you need to install the other one (SP1 for .NET Framework 1.1) before you can update SF8 to SF8.0b.

It did not ask you to install SP1 for .NET Framework 1.1 when you first installed SF8 because at the time SF8 was originally released the SP1 for .NET Framework 1.1 did not yet exist. By the time the update to SF V.8.0b was released some time later, SP1 for .NET Framework 1.1 had been issued by Microsoft and some features of SF V.8.0b require the fixes/updates that are incorporated in SP1 for .NET Framework 1.1 to work properly (or at all). Hence the installer is telling you that you need to install SP1 for .NET Framework 1.1 before you can perform the update to SF V.8.0b.

Don't distress yourself about it, just download and install SP1 for .NET Framework 1.1 from the Microsoft Windows Update website and then perform the update of SF8 to V.8.0b.

Mark

Subject:RE: ? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Reply by: jackn2mpu

Date:8/23/2005 10:32:12 AM

jumbuk said:
Re not installing SP2:

If you don't install SP2, Microsoft drops support for Windows, so you will never be able to update again through Windows Update.

So who cares?

You will one day when the new release of Acid 15.0 or Cubase SX9 won't work without WinXP SP8.

I replied:
I have not, and will not install XP SP2. I still can update Windows through Windows Update with plain 'ol SP1. Don't know where you got your info, dude. If it's on MS's site, please tell where. The update to SP2 is separate from all other updates.
Jack

Subject:RE: ? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Reply by: ROCKNROB

Date:8/23/2005 12:27:25 PM

Thanks MarkWWWW and Gents for all your help
I'm good to go

Rob

Subject:RE: ? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Reply by: ROCKNROB

Date:8/23/2005 4:08:53 PM

Mark, and/or any body else out there, Please Help.

Sir, Does Service Pack 1 override the SP 2 or will I have both.
Also about 3 weeks ago my computer guy had to re-install Win XP
Because I was downloading the S Packs from Win update and seam to corrupt my hard drive and it looks like from Win update things have change. Do you know anything about the new Windows Update format, my computer guy said for me to turn off the automatic update on my Win XP? I just want to be sure I don’t crash my Computer/Hard Drive

Thanks Rob

Subject:RE: ? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Reply by: MarkWWWW

Date:8/24/2005 5:59:05 AM

You will have both because they are service packs for completely different things - neither will override the other.

Think of it like this (an extremely poor analogy but it's all I can come up with at the moment): Windows XP is your car and SP2 for WinXP is a new coat of blue paint for it; .NET Framework 1.1 is a red mountain bike you keep in the boot (trunk) of your car and SP1 for .NET Framework 1.1 is a new bell for the bike.

If you apply SP2 for WinXP your car will finish up being blue but your bike will still be red. (You have already done this bit.)

If you apply SP1 for .NET Framework 1.1 your car will still be blue, your bike will still be red but now it will have a nice shiny new bell, while you car will still have its horn - no bell.

Microsoft periodically change the look and/or functionality of the Windows Update site - it's not worth worrying about why they do this, you just have to accept it as an occasional minor annoyance. If you don't want to use the automatic update facility and your PC has access to the Internet then do make sure that you check periodically to ensure that you aren't missing any new critical updates that would leave you open to attack by malevolent processes from outside.

Mark

Subject:RE: ? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Reply by: ROCKNROB

Date:8/25/2005 5:13:22 PM

Thanks, Mark
Finally I'm Cleared up on this Service Pack thing.
Now if I can get the nerve to download the SP 1 without corrupting my Hard Drive like it did before, why this happen I don't know.
From what I was reading..from MS help page I should do a back up on my files before I pressed with the dowload

Rob

Subject:RE: ? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Reply by: ROCKNROB

Date:8/26/2005 10:16:57 AM

Hey Guys,Mark, thanks for all the help, everything installed now.
I did get an email from sony on this issue that I sent them a week and a half ago, they did finally did get back and will get back to as well if you have any issues. You guys and sony gave me the Confidence to install the service pack 1 with no problems at all.

But I'm sure this wont be the last you here of me, cause now I'm going to go learn some of the function in SF 8 0b

Again Thank All Of You and Sony For Your knowledge & Support


Best
See Yah
~Rob

Subject:RE: ? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Reply by: jumbuk

Date:8/28/2005 5:16:03 PM

"I replied:
I have not, and will not install XP SP2. I still can update Windows through Windows Update with plain 'ol SP1. Don't know where you got your info, dude. If it's on MS's site, please tell where. The update to SP2 is separate from all other updates.
Jack"

The info came through our IT support last year - that Windows Update wouldn't work after 31 Dec 2004 if SP2 was not installed. Could be just them trying to force us to update.

Subject:RE: ? on Service Packs 1 & SP 2

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:8/28/2005 8:05:25 PM

Windows Update still works with older releases/versions all the way back to Win98 (pre SE). What's just recently changed is that if you do have XP, you can't use Windows Update unless you have a validated installation.