Subject:Music Studio will,but not Pro?
Posted by: luces1
Date:8/8/2005 6:44:13 AM
Hello everybody, I have both Music Studio and Pro and recently I was trying out some "home made" loops in either program and I noticed that in the Explorer view Music Studio automatically detects the Acid meta data but not Pro. Let me explain. I had a long file of drum loops that I edited in Forge (I still have 5.0), using auto regions and then I extracted those regions as seperate loops to my test folder. When I previewed these rendered loops (all 4 beats @ 100bpm) in Music Studio it automatically detected the loop info,but not Pro. In order for Pro to acknowledge this data I have to actually go back into Forge and set each loops Acid info. Is there a reason why Pro will only acknowledge files that have been set this way? I mean I would love it if all of my extracted regions would be saved with the "assumed" Acid info that Forge establishes. Just wondering. luces |
Subject:RE: Music Studio will,but not Pro?
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:8/8/2005 11:14:06 AM
How were these homemade loops made? There are two ways that I know of for ACIDizing using ACID: When you access the track properties and then save those changes, or when you go to render to a new track (ACID applies project key and tempo info to the newly rendered track...if it's a Loop anyway). Did you refresh the Explorer view if you already ACIDized these particular samples? (Press F5 to refresh.) Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid Buy Instant ACID by JohnnyRoy and mD! mD at ACIDplanet |
Subject:RE: Music Studio will,but not Pro?
Reply by: luces1
Date:8/9/2005 7:34:59 AM
Hey MD thanks for the reply.The way these loops were made was, I recorded them in Cubase than I rendered out the main wave and opened in Sound Forge. An example is that one of these renders was 60 beats or 15 measures long. So in Forge I set the Acid properties to be "loop",60 beats @4/4 and then the tempo automatically sets to 100bpm, which is correct. Then I did auto region and then extracted those regions so that I had15 ,1 measure loops at 4/4 and 100bpm. When I access these in Music Studio the meta data of 4beats/100bpm is detected,but not in Pro. This might be a Forge forum issue,b/c what I really want to know is why isn't the meta data automatically "assumed" for all of the regions and set by Forge based on the parameters of the above processing so that it is recognized by all Sony products and all other softwares that support Acidizing. I mean I know that I can create a script in the new Forge,but this is all an extra step as is trying to open the long file in Acid Pro and rendering out measure by measure. It seems at the very least that if Music Studio recognizes the "assumed" meta data(yea,I know about "assumed") that Pro certainly would. Just a thought. I was thinking maybe a bug in either or Studio or Pro. Thanks again,luces |
Subject:RE: Music Studio will,but not Pro?
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:8/9/2005 9:59:32 AM
Hmm. So you don't assign ACIDized properties after you do the "extract regions" command? If so, Sound Forge is assuming you just want to start with a clean slate when creating a new audio file from an existing one. That usually means no ACIDized properties are set for the new file, hence why ACID Pro may not "see" the data. Usually, ACID Pro will make a guesstimate as to what the sample could be on un-ACIDized samples. And I believe the data is not saved with the file itself but rather just on a project-by-project basis. I personally always make sure that if I want a custom sample to be ACIDized as a particular type (like One-shot or Loop), I always check the ACIDized properties before working with it in ACID. ACID is OK at guessing, but sometimes it doesn't guess correctly. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid Buy Instant ACID by JohnnyRoy and mD! mD at ACIDplanet |
Subject:RE: Music Studio will,but not Pro?
Reply by: luces1
Date:8/10/2005 7:04:32 AM
"Hmm. So you don't assign ACIDized properties after you do the "extract regions" command?" That is correct, which is why I am puzzled as to why Music Studio is "smart" enough to glean the info from each extracted region loop and why Pro is not "smart" enough to do this. Like I said, maybe I'm just lazy, but it would be sooo cool if Forge would just assume what you wanted from each extraction and put it in there. Oh well, maybe in the future. Thanks again. |
Subject:RE: Music Studio will,but not Pro?
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:8/10/2005 8:47:45 AM
It may be because ACID Pro is trying to be more accurate; it may not give you a tempo mainly because there really is no ACIDized tempo. Note that when you add the media to the project, the media in particular will have its tempo guesstimated by ACID (and as noted before, the ACIDized info will only be saved with the project, not the media itself, unless you click the "save" button in the media file's track properites). If you also noticed, key info is never guessed for un-ACIDized samples; ACID (Pro or Music Studio) simply cannot analyze the pitch of a given sample. Your idea doesn't sound bad. Most power tweakers like myself always check the ACIDized properties anyway and if there's something we had not originally intended, we change it regardless. Remember to always let Madison Media know of anything you'd like to see. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid Buy Instant ACID by JohnnyRoy and mD! mD at ACIDplanet |