it IS a vegas bug...

TheHappyFriar wrote on 6/25/2005, 1:23 PM
I just recorded a live event's audio on to my computer. did it last year with Vegas 4 no problem. This year I used Vegas 6.

Anyway, an hour before the event I try recording: I record 30 minutes no problem. I record another 15 minutes no problem. I then delete those files & hit record to record the event (~2.5 hours long). Meanwhile I'm several hundred feet away recording via a camera.

So anyway,the event ends, I go to my computer, it still shows it's recording (like it should). I hot stop & the save dialog comes up. I hit save. Problem! It only record 2.5 minutes! AND it recorded 2.5 minutes from the MIDDLE of the event! I'm so angry right now...

I KNOW it wasn't me because after recording for 5 minutes I checked it & it was ok. At the end it still showed recording (flatline because there was no more audio, so no worries there). NO ONE was at the computer. It was out of the way with the audio mixing board: noone went there after I did so that rules out anyone else messing with it (yes, I could of seen someone walk over there). When I hit "stop" there was only 1 clip listed & I saved it (ended up being 2.5 minutes). I couldn't of done anything because it was working fine when I left & I was nowhere near it until the end. I didn't run out of HD space: I had 70gb free.

So, that leaves Vegas 6. has ANYBODY else recorded a long stretch of audio into V6 successfuly? The ONLY thing that I can think of is that my C has just under 20gb free & C is my temp drive for audio work.

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JJKizak wrote on 6/25/2005, 4:03 PM
I recorded 3 hrs. 55 minutes with V6.0b no problem. It did take a while to build the peaks for the first time though. About 10 minutes.You will see a straight line until the peaks are built.

JJK
TheHappyFriar wrote on 6/25/2005, 5:32 PM
no, this file is 2.5 minutes long. It's from the midle of the event, not hte start or the end.
Liam_Vegas wrote on 6/25/2005, 10:29 PM
There are SO MANY things that may have happened to interfere with the recording.

I know this is not always possible... but if the audio recording is such a critial aspect of the event (and it usually is)... then you needed to have someone monitoring it live... or at least frequently to ensure that everything was working as expected.

Without seeing what was going on during the recording... it's likely going to be impossible for you to verify exactly what may have gone wrong. It may have had nothing to do with V6 at all... but some other thing that happened to cause this.

One simple (but time consuming) test... do a test recording now... of the same duration... does it work... or do you get the same result. Without doing that... you may never be able to verify what the issue may be.
Grazie wrote on 6/25/2005, 11:11 PM
THF - this really sucks! - of course Liam is correct. It could be many items not being what you thought. Could you do this for me - could you check out and see if you have "Maximum capture length" selected. And if so what value you have there? This COULD be one thing that is playing fast and loose with you - yeah? Maybe it is set to something BIGGER than the tests you did - but maybe it may alos be less than the 2.5 hours you were expecting to record. The values of 2.5 hours and 2.5 minutes seem to be to close to be for it it to be coincidence - yeah? Anyways see if you do have a maximum capture length. While you are there, check out the delay too!

As I said, the tests MAY have "obscured" these settings - tough one this THF! Not good .. . I'm real sorry for you - NOT a Happy Friar today . ..

Grazie
Peter Burn wrote on 6/25/2005, 11:11 PM
Sound Forge 7 is a better aduo recording tool , hands down.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 6/26/2005, 6:55 AM
there's a "maximum capture length"? I've never seen that.

When I went back to hit stop I saw the entire event recorded. It was when I hit "save" that it wasn't the actual event, it was 2.5 minutes from the middle. Someone WOULD of been watching it but the audio guy who was running hte mixer never told anyone he wasn't showing up so the mixer & my computer were in an area noone could go because that person would of been in view of the public (instead of putting the mixer & computer where the AV projector was. Ohno... that's impossible to do!)

I got the audio off the camera... it's echoey... :( I'll have to work on it a bit. But, for next year, the mixer & computer eigther go by me or the projector guy OR I use a couple hundred feet of audio cable to put the computer next to me.

I'm going out today so I'll try recording to my HD then. I'll just hit record & let it got while I'm out. See what happens...
Marco. wrote on 6/26/2005, 8:15 AM
I think Gracie meant the regular dv capture dialog not the audio recording. For audio recording actually there is no "maximum capture length".

Marco
Grazie wrote on 6/26/2005, 8:30 AM


"Grazie" did mean VidCap. Sorry Happy! - G :)


Marco. wrote on 6/26/2005, 8:49 AM
Sorry for the typo. This name has kind of italian touch so "Gracie" wasn't that far from "Grazie" to me. ;-) I should have known it better ... ;-)

Marco
Grazie wrote on 6/26/2005, 9:01 AM
No damage done! Think of a Cow grazing? Yeah? I like food . .. too much . . However it is a "diminutive" of my real name "Graham" !

Regards - Grazie
TheHappyFriar wrote on 6/26/2005, 6:30 PM
Ha! It wasn't me! I started recording ~12:30est. I just got home at 17:22est. That's about 5 hours straight (I had winamp playing my playlist & recorded teh stereo out. The T/L shows ~5 hours recorded but most of it looked flatline with the exception of the end which it was updating the waveform for. I hit stop, then saved the clip and it was....02:05:15.12 long! It only recorded the first 2 hours but it SHOWED the entire 5 hours! I even remeber the song I started playing at (Veggie Tales Jonah Soundtrack end credits), which was there. But, the end song I pause when I got home (Nickleback- Someday) wasn't at the end of the WAV file...Chumbawumba was!

So, it IS something with vegas. Noone was here to hit anything. It was recording when I left. I didn't run out of HD space... according to Vegas I still have 72 hours left.

So, now that we know I didn't mess up, it wasn't a user error or a random person hitting the button... any clues?
jaegersing wrote on 6/27/2005, 8:41 AM
Sorry about your experience.

Just wondering, what is the maximum size for a wave file in Windows? I think a 5 hour recording of uncompressed audio will probably exceed that, but I'm not sure so thought I'd ask. Also I've no idea what Vegas will do if you try to save such a long timeline as a single file.

The only other explanation I can offer is that Vegas was making a comment on your music selection? :)

Richard Hunter
R0cky wrote on 6/27/2005, 1:06 PM
what is the disc format, i.e. is it FAT32? Isn't there a 2 GByte file length limit if it is?
Chienworks wrote on 6/27/2005, 1:35 PM
.WAV files are limited to 2GB, but that has nothing to do with FAT32. FAT32 has a file size limit of 4GB, but .WAVs are still limited to 2GB even under NTFS.

At 48KHz 16 bit stereo 2GB is 3 hours 6 minutes, 24.8 seconds (more or less, probably less due to the file header information)
At 44.1KHz 16 bit stereo it would be 3 hours, 22 minutes, 53.9 seconds.

I'll let you do additional maths for other bit depths, etc.

SONY has a format called .W64 that uses 64 bit addressing in the file header. Other than this change it is identical to .WAV but can store terabyte files. Vegas uses this format internally when recording. However, if you try to save the recording to a .WAV it may become truncated or otherwise scrambled. Try saving it in .W64 instead if you know you're getting close to or over the 2GB limit.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 6/27/2005, 2:47 PM
I've got an NTFS drive. I've reocrded huge DV files & large audio before, but not in V6. I used Vegas 4.
jaegersing wrote on 6/28/2005, 7:02 AM
If the audio is part of the DV AVI file there is no issue (the limit is huge), but have you actually recorded 5 hour wave files before? Haven't tried it myself, but I always thought it wasn't possible.

Richard
TheHappyFriar wrote on 6/28/2005, 8:25 AM
Yes, I have. Not on purpose, but I have (my dad also has in Acid Xpress 5).

The audio was a direct line comming into the line in on my computer. That wasn't part of a DV file.