Any way to get more than +6db gain on audio?

riredale wrote on 6/16/2005, 5:52 PM
Gee whiz, I don't like the new format's inability to type a longer title.

What I mean is that, if I drop an audio clip on the timeline and show a volume envelope, the max that I can raise the volume is +6db. I can reduce -10, -20, all the way to -infinity, but +6 is it. Any way to modify the scale to give me, say, +12db? Maybe some secret setting in the hidden preferences menu?

No, I can't just move the track slider up. The clip is mixed with others.

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GG wrote on 6/16/2005, 6:17 PM
I don't see why you can't ue the track level and then use all other tools (envelope or events levels) to balance your mix. Or use a new separate audio track for the events that need more volume and raise its track level up to 12 if needed.

If most things are within the normal range for mixing, then I would just modify the few events that the levels need to be raised. See my other post on this topic I just posted.

GG
Jay Gladwell wrote on 6/16/2005, 7:05 PM

You right mouse click on the point on the envelope and select "set at" and type in whatever level you want.


GG wrote on 6/16/2005, 7:17 PM
Good tip Jay. I never knew that one.

PS- Jay, I wrote you an email last month after the local Vegas meeting asking you to call me at home and I never heard back?

GG
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 6/16/2005, 7:38 PM
double layer the audio and then just run that second layer on an envelope - you can REALLY get some major boosts if you need it.

it will still bring up the BG noise too, but you can get the sound and maybe even get some additional tweeking to fix problems.

Dave
Chienworks wrote on 6/16/2005, 9:38 PM
If the entire clip is low you could also right-mouse-button click on it, choose Switches, and Normalize. This will raise the loudest peak to 0dB. Chances are after that you'll be using the envelope to reduce it rather than raise it more.
Spot|DSE wrote on 6/16/2005, 9:49 PM
By default, your peaks will be normalized to -.02dB. Don't go changing this up, as you could potentially induce distortion in later processing, but as Chienworks says, this is a good tool/feature/process for low audio. Realize that as you raise the level, you're raising noise in the file as well. It's quite possible that your file is reasonably low noise, and this won't be a problem, but more often than not, the noise will be problematic.
If you've got lots of audio files to normalize, you might want to use a script. There is a free one here
GG wrote on 6/16/2005, 11:32 PM
Normalize will not be useful if even one peak in the event is too high above the majority of the audio that needs to be raised. I use splits to isolate the peaks (like a door closing) to lower the level so then Normalize can raise the level of what needs to be louder. Then use Noise reduction to get the room noise that was also raised back down in level.

GG
Jay Gladwell wrote on 6/17/2005, 3:54 AM

GG, sorry about missing your e-mail, probably got filtered out due to my Spam program. If you try again, I'll look more closely for it and call you, if it's not too late.


wobblyboy wrote on 6/17/2005, 9:53 AM
First normalize to get peaks up to 0 db. If this is not enough, use wave hammer to compress and bring up apparent volume. These plugins are available in Vegas or you can import wave files into Sound Forge to edit. There is lots of info on the Vegas Audio forum regarding sound issues.
GG wrote on 6/17/2005, 2:46 PM
Jay,
Thanx for emailing me. Talk with ya later.
GG
GG wrote on 6/17/2005, 5:06 PM
wobbly boy,

Do you know for sure that when using Wave hammer that the peaks are actually being lowered just on their area and not being clipped off which would obviously cause square wave disiortion. I think it gets clipped and that is why I choose to lower the peaks with split areas before raising the rest of the audio up in level. Thus avoiding the distortion on peaks.

If the peak limiting does not bother someone, then it is much easier to apply that peak limiter to the whole event/track, but you would not need to normalize anything at that point since a compressor will do it for you.

GG