Subject:ACID/UAD-1 as a Rewire 5 Slave

Posted by: Paulie

Date:5/15/2005 11:50:07 AM

The UAD-1 runs really well with AP4 Pro. Thinking about upgrading from AP4 to 5. Are there any problems that people know about when using the UAD/ACID in slave mode ?

I'm seriously thinking of moving to a full blown sequencer (probably Cusbase) for Audio and MIDI composition and running ACID for looping duties. Is anybody using this comination with success?

Thanks
Paul

Subject:RE: ACID/UAD-1 as a Rewire 5 Slave

Reply by: billybk

Date:5/15/2005 1:38:57 PM

Hey Paul,
As a UAD-1 user, you will love the way ACID Pro 5 works with the UAD-1. First of all, with the native VST support you can now use plugins, in VST mode (the preferred format). I have (2) UAD-1 cards that I use in AP5 and the VST plugins work seamlessly, in my ACID projects. The native CPU munching that I always got in AP 4 has virtually disappeared. The plethora of new features and enhancements makes AP 5 the most comprehensive and useful ACID update ever, IMHO. With the Folder Tracks, Bus to Bus routing, Plug-In Manager, Realtime Reverse, VST support, Keyboard Mapping, new Groove & Media Management tools, enhanced GUI, etc.....and of course......the new rewire slave support.
I have been using ACID rewired to SONAR 4 and lately with the new Project 5 2.0 demo (still waiting to receive my 2.0 update) and AP5 works very well with the both of them. Once you rewire ACID to a rewire host app, you will be able to expose up to 26 mono & 32 stereo buses. You will have full transport control between apps, including setting project loop points, so everything stays in sync. One thing to remember, if you have any delay compensated plugins (like the UAD-1's), they will be automatically disabled, in any rewire slave app, inlcluding AP5. This is a limitation of the rewire spec. You can still use the UAD-1 plugins on the ACID tracks, as they are bused in to your host rewire app.

I like using AP5 rewired to SONAR 4 and now Project 5 2.0 (with it's new rewire host support) and using it's superior loop management/previewing/arranging capabilities. Here are a couple of pics of ACID Pro 5 used as a plugin, in SONAR & Project 5:

http://www.streamload.com/billybk1/EL/9Y6ELN19UN/SONAR_ACID_Rewire_in_action2.jpg

http://www.streamload.com/billybk1/EL/9Y6ELN19UN/Project_5_2.0_ACID_Pro_5_rewire.jpg


Billy Buck

Subject:RE: ACID/UAD-1 as a Rewire 5 Slave

Reply by: billybk

Date:5/15/2005 1:58:03 PM

Paul,
When you get a chance, update your system specs, under "My Account". When you click on a user name it now shows the system specs, if provided.

Billy Buck

Subject:RE: ACID/UAD-1 as a Rewire 5 Slave

Reply by: Paulie

Date:5/16/2005 12:24:48 PM

Thanks billybk. I think being being able to put UAD plugs over BUS tracks on the way back into the host should do the trick.

You mentioned Sonar and Project 5 as hosts, thanks for the Pix b.t.w. Have you had any success with Cubase as a host?

I want to use cubase/sonar/project etc for Vocals and MIDI programming and then use Acid for all my looping stuff. Finally using the main host for mixing. Thats the plan

Thanks
Paulie

Subject:RE: ACID/UAD-1 as a Rewire 5 Slave

Reply by: billybk

Date:5/16/2005 1:04:47 PM

I don't use Cubase, but I am sure it will work just as well. BTW, here is a little rewire tip for recording your rewire slave audio tracks, in this case, ACID Pro 5, directly into a rewire host. So you are not just using the host app as a rewire mixer, but as an actual rewire recorder, of your rewire slave's bused audio tracks. You can just substitute Cubase or any rewire host , for the SONAR reference , and it should work the same.


If you would like to actually have Rewire tracks recorded, as audio, directly into a SONAR project, you can do that by fooling the "official" rewire protocol as follows:


Here is a helpful SONAR rewire tip and technique, from our friends @ Propellerheads, it pertained to Reason, but I just found out it works just as well with ACID Pro 5, or any Rewire app in slave mode.

For those of you that have ventured into rewire land with SONAR and rewire slave apps like Reason and ACID Pro 5, you have probably found out that you can't do a normal Edit -> Bounce to Tracks, of your rewire slave project right into SONAR.

Or can you? :)

You set it up to bounce the ReWire tracks to a brand new audio track, click OK...it goes through the motions.....

...but • nothing happens • : no new audio track is actually generated.
Damn! Now what....?

THE PROBLEM

It appears that for some weird reason, if your new MIDI track in SONAR that was generated, (using the "Insert DXi Synth Options" dialog box, you should have the MIDI Source track box checked), when you inserted your ReWire track contains no MIDI data in it at all....which is the case when you create the new track this way!....SONAR will NOT "Bounce to Tracks" at all! SONAR • has • to see some MIDI data before allowing the "Bounce to Tracks" function to work.

SOLUTION

Trick SONAR into thinking there • IS • MIDI data in there, by way of entering a single zero-length note: then "Bounce to Tracks" works perfectly. Here's how to do it:

• First, select the MIDI track that SONAR generated when you inserted your ReWire device. Then, open up the Piano Roll screen for that track.

• Make sure your "Now Time" is rewound to the very beginning of where you want the rewired audio to start (if it's at the very beginning of the song, then it's at "1:01:000").

• Using the Pencil Tool, enter a single note at this point. It doesn't matter • what • note it is, as long as it's at the beginning of where you want the rewired audio to start!

• Now, right-click on that note and open the "Note Properties" dialog.

• Now enter a value of "0" for the Length, and a value of "1" (the lowest it'll allow) for Velocity. Click "OK".

• Now, grab the end of the MIDI clip you just generated and drag it all the way to the right, the total number of bars of the audio you have in your rewire slave song (if you're bringing over the works, it'll be the total number of bars in the song itself).

• Check to make sure the BPM setting in SONAR is the same as it is in your rewired song!! SONAR defaults to 100 BPM for new projects, so adjust accordingly.

• NOW...go to Edit -> Bounce to Tracks...and bounce to a new audio track.
This time it should work, and your rewire audio will land in this newly generated track. At this point you can either keep the ReWire connection up...or you can delete it and just use this audio track to do with as you wish.
Either way: make sure that you at least Mute or Archive the original rewire MIDI and Audio tracks, else you'll get doubling.

It works perfectly, now you can bounce your rewire (ACID Pro 5/Reason/Project 5 2.0) tracks right onto the SONAR timeline if you want to. :-)


Billy Buck

Subject:RE: ACID/UAD-1 as a Rewire 5 Slave

Reply by: Paulie

Date:5/16/2005 2:27:01 PM

thanks billybk

... for the major tip in advance. That is something I will definitely need. I do like to end up with 100% audio before doing the final mix.

Paulie