Subject:Definitive Buglist: SF 8.0

Posted by: mokomo

Date:5/10/2005 3:09:44 AM

Can people who have encountered bugs in SF 8.0 please post a brief but accurate description in this thread.

Post no discussion please in this thread, just bug descriptions (as brief as possible). The objective is to get a definitive list together so the developers have a very clear picture of the problems. Thus we can evaluate how good the 8.0 update is when it is released.

Make the first line of the message body a summary in 10 words or less.

Also try not to post any duplicates!

(when the release is made it will be interesting to see what percentage of major issues have been addressed)

Subject:RE: Definitive Buglist: SF 8.0

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:5/10/2005 7:52:13 AM

Mokomo,

If Sony doesn't have a "definitive" buglist together by now - we are all in a lot of trouble....

VP

Subject:RE: Definitive Buglist: SF 8.0

Reply by: mpd

Date:5/10/2005 10:03:34 AM

Agreed. Reproducable bugs should be reported here as well as through the standard customer support channels. Sonic has also done a good job confirming the bugs, giving workarounds, and saying that they will be fixed in SF8a.

Subject:RE: Definitive Buglist: SF 8.0

Reply by: airon0

Date:5/10/2005 1:54:59 PM

AIFF files(in this case 48kHz, 16 and 24 bit, stereo), when played, the peak meter shoots up and stays there, whenever it is played.

The files generated by either Protools 5.1 or Soundforge 8 itself will provoke this behaviour of the peak meter. Have not tested AIF files from any other sources.

Subject:RE: Definitive Buglist: SF 8.0

Reply by: rraud

Date:5/12/2005 5:30:19 PM

- Plug-in chainer locks up application upon "Preview". (Intermittent)
- Plug-in chainer window off to side.
- Plug-in chainer preset reverts to original save, unless sound file is closed, and re-opened.
- Delay in executing process or effect after selecting OK.
- Punch-in (specified time) recording does not function in remote mode. <edit> and does not display recording activity in normal record window.

Subject:RE: Definitive Buglist: SF 8.0

Reply by: Audiogeek

Date:5/13/2005 1:27:13 PM

- Plug-in chainer locks up application upon "Preview". (Intermittent)

This is a HUGE bug for me. The only way I have found to recover is to shut SF down. Which really sucks if you have a lot of files open that you have been working on.

Subject:RE: Definitive Buglist: SF 8.0

Reply by: RikTheRik

Date:5/14/2005 3:48:30 PM

Channel converter is quite buggy, some files (I don't know exactly why) become big wav blocks (the level is boosted alot) with a simple setting such as convert from stereo to mono with 50% from right. Tried same with the old batch converter and it works fine.

Subject:RE: Definitive Buglist: SF 8.0

Reply by: ForumAdmin

Date:5/16/2005 7:41:12 AM

A few more details on some of these bugs would be helpful.

- Plug-in chainer locks up application upon "Preview". (Intermittent)

Do you mean the plug-in chainer here, or plug-ins from the effects and/or FX favorites menu? If you're really referring to the chainer, can you provide more specifics? (media type, chain contents, looped playback, automation, audio prefs, etc..)

- Plug-in chainer window off to side.

If you're talking about the effects menu this bug will be fixed in the update. If you really mean the chainer, I'm not familiar with this problem.

- Plug-in chainer preset reverts to original save, unless sound file is closed, and re-opened.

Can you elaborate on this one? I think this has been fixed, but can't tell for sure without a more specific description.

- Delay in executing process or effect after selecting OK.

We have not been able to reproduce this bug, but we've made some changes that we hope will fix it.

- Punch-in (specified time) recording does not function in remote mode.

What do you mean by "does not function?" There is a bug where punch-in recording halts (but doesn't actually stop), which should be fixed in the update. If you're seeing some other problem, please describe.

Thanks.

Subject:RE: Definitive Buglist: SF 8.0

Reply by: spoken

Date:5/16/2005 10:03:25 AM

I have serious buggage with cues, regions and playlists.

In fact, I think that the whole playlist display widget is broken.

Select an item in the list. Right click > Replicate > the list item is not replicated but some other random item is created. SHIFT + R is unpredictable. If the list is resorted, the highlighted selection does not travel with the list.

Window display of the selected point and the Center Cursor function is irregular. Sometimes on the active window borders, but seemingly random.

I have emailed this via the support form. I received an automated replay, but no response. I responded to the automated replay. Again no, response. I am annoyed and disappointed.

Subject:RE: Definitive Buglist: SF 8.0

Reply by: rraud

Date:5/17/2005 5:20:03 PM

rraud- Plug-in chainer preset reverts to original save, unless sound file is closed, and re-opened.

SF- Can you elaborate on this one? I think this has been fixed, but can't tell for sure without a more specific description

For instance: I select a saved chainer preset with four plug-ins*, make some final adjustments, re-save (overwrite) then close the chain window, later on reopen the chainer to process the next selection or region of the sound file, all the original parameters on the plugins, prior to overwrite, appear on that particular chainer preset.
If I were to close and re-open the sound file, open the chainer preset, the most recently saved parmeters that I wanted are where they should be.

(* It does not seem to make any difference how many or what plugins are in the chain)

- Punch-in (specified time) recording does not function in remote mode.

"What do you mean by "does not function?" There is a bug where punch-in recording halts (but doesn't actually stop), which should be fixed in the update. If you're seeing some other problem, please describe."

Punch-in (specified time recording) in Remote Record mode window, shows no activity and records nothing at all. No, not even silence (digital black)
("Arm" also does not flash.)

Thanks for your attention.
Rick

Subject:RE: Definitive Buglist: SF 8.0

Reply by: Cudgel

Date:5/29/2005 6:03:58 AM

Okay I'm an unsophisticated new user of SF8 who just started trying to record things with it. Problem is the volume is very, very low. Using SF6 this was not a problem. I have a Delta Audiophile 24/96 soundcard. I push the volume settings on the soundcard mixer panel all the way up just to get any signal recorded at all. And the volume is still very (I mean very, very) low.

Thanks if you can help.
PS. I am new to the forum and hopefully posted this in an ok place. I did not want to start a new thread or bother customer support with this.

Cudgel

Subject:RE: Definitive Buglist: SF 8.0

Reply by: DAve_

Date:6/10/2005 2:40:13 AM

I don't think this has been reported elsewhere.

SF8.0a

If you load a sample, select all and look at the details in the bottom right of the window the value shown in "Selection Right" is not correct.

Assuming the display is set to 'samples' I am currently seeing the following...
Selection Left 0
Selection Right 1,165,211
Selection Length 1,165,211

Opening there same file in SF 6 I see
Selection Left 0
Selection Right 1,165,210
Selection Length 1,165,211

You also see this problem if you double click the selection details to show the set selection dialog.

This discrepency is also seen when the details are set to show time.

DAve

Subject:RE: Definitive Buglist: SF 8.0

Reply by: ForumAdmin

Date:6/10/2005 2:04:15 PM

In Sound Forge 6.0 and earlier, the last sample of a selection was treated as inclusive, so length = end - start + 1. That is, the right sample index was the one just to the left of the selection end. In Sound Forge 7.0 and later, this was changed to be treated as exclusive to align itself with ACID and Vegas behavior, so length = end - start, or the right sample index is precisely where the selection ends. Both models make sense depending on who you ask. Zoom in full and play with selection a bit. I think you'll find that it's more straightforward in 7.0/8.0.

Hope this helps.

Subject:RE: Definitive Buglist: SF 8.0

Reply by: DAve_

Date:6/15/2005 9:57:30 AM

Cheers for the clarification, but I still have to say its wrong.

If I need to know the number of samples in a waveform (as I often do) I expect the length to tell me that.

So I have a sample with 5 sample points, start sample is 0, end sample is 4, length is 5.

Maybe its because I'm a programmer and we are used to counting from 0. But if I have 5 sample points selected I expect the display to tell me I have 5 selected.

Is this not something that could be setup with an option flag, especially since it changes the behaviour from earlier versions of soundforge?

I skipped version 7 due to reports that it was too buggy - as it is I only really upgraded for the new scripting abilities and this change is definatly confusing.

DAve