Wolfgang-

Can you render your one hour project as a single DV file?

If yes, can you print that one file to tape from a new timeline?

I also tested this. Used a 3-minute project and checked the path for the prerender files before. Path o.k. and enough space left there.

If none of the clips must be rendered - everything works fine.
If the clips must be rendered but I do a Render to New Track first - everything works fine.

If I take the project where none of the clips must have been rendered and which worked fine for Print to Tape and all I do then is enforcing a prerendering by modifying the Level slider of the video track - it behaves the way Wolfgang described. Recording starts but only a black signal will be recorded (it's not the black leader - the leader was adjusted to be 10 seconds but the black signal recording seems to last forever). I cannot cancel the print process then but have to kill the whole Vegas process.

Prerendering as a separate process (out of the Print to Tape process) works fine. The prerendered files made in the Print to Tape process also are fine (which means I can open and playback these files in a player).

Maybe there's something going on exactly in the moment when Vegas switches from the prerender process to the print process. Maybe the switching happens too fast!??

Marco

Yes, I have been able to render the project to a single PAL-DV-avi file.

And no, I have not been able to print that file to tape from a new timeline. Same situation here - no picture is transfered to the camcorder.

Please confirm Wolfgang and others:

Selectively pre-rendering your entire project does work,

and

printing a fully-prerendered timeline to tape (as a separate step from prerender) does work.

I've had the same problem printing to tape from the timeline where only black gets printed after the rendering finishes.
I did however just render a project to a avi file and then used the print to tape function in the capture utility and it worked.

I just had the same thing happen. i set up a project to print to tape(1hr 45min wedding) I left my studio to go shoot a sports game and when I came back, I found that although Vegas had printed the project it also printed 1 hour of black before the project. I tried it again and had the same problems as noted here, that I couldn't stop it from printing and had to manually stop the camera and unplug the firewire cable to bring Vegas out of it's "trance". I then did a manual print to tape and that worked fine.
This is a bug the size of a baseball. It definitely needs to be squashed now.

>> Selectively pre-rendering your entire project does work,

Yes, this works fine.

>> printing a fully-prerendered timeline to tape (as a separate step from prerender) does work.

Yes, this works fine for me. I tried both using Selectively Prerendering as well as Render to New Track. Both worked fine then when Printing to Tape.

(For testing I cut my project down to 1 minute length. Even here is the misbehaviour if I go straight to Print to Tape without using a separate render step before. It only works if I render separately from the Print to Tape process.)

Marco

I have had problems with Vegas 6 not printing to tape correctly on a PAL DV project. It was giving me something like 30 seconds black before the video instead of the 5 seconds I requested. General other erratic behaviour as well. I had to do it in Sclive in the end.

>>>Selectively pre-rendering your entire project does work,

Yes, that works fine for me too.

>>>printing a fully-prerendered timeline to tape (as a separate step from prerender) does work.

No, that does not work for my 1-hour project. Same behaviour as described - the camcorder starts to record, but receives nothing.

Again here, it is not possible to cancel the process - again I had to stop the camcorder manually, again I had had to terminate Vegas manually.

Maybe one difference is, that I have used the real 1 hour project for that test too (and not a 1 minute project, as Marco did).

Wolfgang

I have performed following test in addition: if you prerender the project, all the Video files are prerendered (named "Vegas Prerendered Video File n.avi).

The only file, that is prerendered when you start "Print to Tape" as a separate process, is "Vegas Prerendered Video File n+1.w64", what is an Audio file of the complete project. The crash seems to happen exactly at the moment, when Vegas has finished to render that file.

So, what I did was following:

- I prerenderd the 1 hour PAL project as separate process
- I turned on the Camcorder (firewire), and started "Print to Tape"
- During the rendering of the *.w64 file, I switched off the Camcorder. Vegas finished to render the *.w64 file - and then asked me to bring the Camcorder back to line.
- Ok, I canceled that
- Then I switched on the camcorder, and started again "Print to Tape". And now it worked fine, Vegas had not to prerender the *.w64 file again.

I do not think that the *.w64 file is corrupted - you can bring it to the timeline and play it, without any error message. It seems to be the step in the handover after rendering that *.w64 file that makes the issue - since it starts the camcorder in record mode, but then it crashes.

Hope that helps to isolate that bug.

If you need me as beta-tester, please let me know!
;)

Could this have anything to do with the msdv.sys file that comes with windows xp service pack 2? This file causes all kinds of problems with DV camera control.

No, I have SP1 on my video editing PC. I know why.
:-))

Information does help to get issues managed. Whining and crying doesn't.

Marco

I think nobody is whining or crying.

To my opinion we have analysed that as far as possible, from a users perspective. And now it is up to Sony to rework that bug.

In addition some information to my system (that was missing up to now):

XP Pro SP1
3.2 GHz P4 S-478 FSB800
1 GB Ram, 2x DDR-RAM 512 MB, 400 MHz, PC-3200 Samsung
Mainboard S-478 ASUS P4P800-E deluxe
Grafic Matrox P750
System drive SATA Western Digital Raptor
SATA Controller Primise Fast Trck SATA 150 SX4
4x SATA Seargate Bararacuda 200 GB, 7200 upm as Raid-5
Soundcard Terratec Aureon 7.1 universe

I agree with Wolfgang. This is a serious bug. Sony should quickly address this issue and a reply/post from Sony would be appreciated.

We are working on this issue now, highest priority for the next update.

Adding a pshycic twist I would jump all over that Promise controller. Too many problems.

JJK

whatt???? dear sony, you deleted my message????