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Subject:Not sure what happened: Editing .WAVs externally Posted by: B.C. Date:4/25/2005 8:18:03 AM Captured a long, single-take of a raunchy distorted bass part. I sliced and diced it and re-arranged it, as is so fun and easy to do w/ACID. However - it had an annoying hiss all the through the take. So I pull the WAV into COOL EDIT 2000 and run it through the CE2K noise-reduction alg. When I went back to ACID the bass track was all jacked up. It seems like the starting offset was reset or something - every segment was shifted. I fought with it for a while without success (thinking that maybe the beat-map markers got mucked). I went back to an older version of the .ACD file and it was fine. Weird. Any ideas? Would Soundforge have handled this gracefully? Was CE2K to blame? Message last edited on4/25/2005 8:19:16 AM byB.C..
Subject:RE: Not sure what happened: Editing .WAVs externally Reply by: Iacobus Date:4/25/2005 9:25:14 AM When editing externally with Sound Forge, I've never come across such a problem. Did the bass track look all jacked up after you applied the noise reduction in Cool Edit? Could Cool Edit remove the ACIDized properties of the file? (What kind of track was it? Loop? Beatmapped?) That could cause the shifting you're seeing. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid Buy Instant ACID by JohnnyRoy and mD! mD at ACIDplanet
Subject:RE: Not sure what happened: Editing .WAVs externally Reply by: JohnnyRoy Date:4/25/2005 10:30:39 AM You say you used noise reduction. I’ve had this exact same problem with Sound Soap. When it finished processing, it shifts the entire file by the delay lag that it needed to process the file. So it could have been CE2K’s noise reduction. If CE2K has markers, place a marker at the start of the wave or a peak in the wave. Then process with noise reduction and see if the wave still aligns with the marker. As I said, using Sound Soap the file shifts. Using Sony Noise Reduction it doesn’t. ~jr
Subject:RE: Not sure what happened: Editing .WAVs externally Reply by: B.C. Date:4/25/2005 10:59:47 AM I'll try that (placing markers). I believe the track is a One-Shot - I'll double-check. I'm not keen on replacing my CE2K as it's paid for and works really well. The thing that has me scratching my head is: the track went back to the correct offset when I reverted to an earlier .ACD file. That file is referencing the exact same .WAV file yes?
Subject:RE: Not sure what happened: Editing .WAVs externally Reply by: JohnnyRoy Date:4/26/2005 8:42:32 AM > That file is referencing the exact same .WAV file yes? I would guess that it is as long as you used the same filename when saving it. That is very strange that a previous project using the same file would work properly. Try replacing the file with something else (i.e., drag and drop a different file on the track header) and then swap the file you edited back in and see if ACID picks it up correctly this time. ~jr

Subject:Not sure what happened: Editing .WAVs externally

Posted by: B.C.

Date:4/25/2005 8:18:03 AM

Captured a long, single-take of a raunchy distorted bass part.

I sliced and diced it and re-arranged it, as is so fun and easy to do w/ACID.

However - it had an annoying hiss all the through the take. So I pull the WAV into COOL EDIT 2000 and run it through the CE2K noise-reduction alg. When I went back to ACID the bass track was all jacked up.

It seems like the starting offset was reset or something - every segment was shifted. I fought with it for a while without success (thinking that maybe the beat-map markers got mucked).

I went back to an older version of the .ACD file and it was fine. Weird.

Any ideas? Would Soundforge have handled this gracefully? Was CE2K to blame?

Message last edited on4/25/2005 8:19:16 AM byB.C..

Subject:RE: Not sure what happened: Editing .WAVs externally

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:4/25/2005 9:25:14 AM

When editing externally with Sound Forge, I've never come across such a problem.

Did the bass track look all jacked up after you applied the noise reduction in Cool Edit?

Could Cool Edit remove the ACIDized properties of the file? (What kind of track was it? Loop? Beatmapped?) That could cause the shifting you're seeing.

Iacobus
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mD at ACIDplanet

Subject:RE: Not sure what happened: Editing .WAVs externally

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:4/25/2005 10:30:39 AM

You say you used noise reduction. I’ve had this exact same problem with Sound Soap. When it finished processing, it shifts the entire file by the delay lag that it needed to process the file. So it could have been CE2K’s noise reduction.

If CE2K has markers, place a marker at the start of the wave or a peak in the wave. Then process with noise reduction and see if the wave still aligns with the marker. As I said, using Sound Soap the file shifts. Using Sony Noise Reduction it doesn’t.

~jr

Subject:RE: Not sure what happened: Editing .WAVs externally

Reply by: B.C.

Date:4/25/2005 10:59:47 AM

I'll try that (placing markers). I believe the track is a One-Shot - I'll double-check.

I'm not keen on replacing my CE2K as it's paid for and works really well.

The thing that has me scratching my head is: the track went back to the correct offset when I reverted to an earlier .ACD file. That file is referencing the exact same .WAV file yes?

Subject:RE: Not sure what happened: Editing .WAVs externally

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:4/26/2005 8:42:32 AM

> That file is referencing the exact same .WAV file yes?

I would guess that it is as long as you used the same filename when saving it. That is very strange that a previous project using the same file would work properly. Try replacing the file with something else (i.e., drag and drop a different file on the track header) and then swap the file you edited back in and see if ACID picks it up correctly this time.

~jr