Rendering Issue

HomeDepot wrote on 4/24/2005, 7:03 PM

Okay, I can't figure this one out at all.

Been using Vegas 5. I set up a custom encode, which was basically, the Main-Concept 2, NTSC.. only changes I made was Best Quality and 2 Pass VBR.

When trying out Vegas 6. I set up the exact same thing...now DVDA 3 is telling me that it needs to recompress the file!!!

I've checked all the tabs between my original Vegas 5 setting and the new Vegas 6 setting...all exactly the same...

How can this be happening? When I encode in Vegas 6, with my Vegas 5 preset..works fine... When I change the Vegas 6 MC setting (Best + 2 Pass) it says it must recompress...

Here is the info for the new file (that must be recompressed)
General
Name: test1.mpg
Folder: G:\Music\test
Type: MainConcept MPEG-2
Size: 6.38 MB (6,531,072 bytes)
Created: Sunday, April 24, 2005, 9:30:44 PM
Modified: Sunday, April 24, 2005, 9:31:20 PM
Accessed: Sunday, April 24, 2005, 9:31:20 PM
Attributes: Archive

Streams
Video: 00:00:08.542, 29.970 fps interlaced, 720x480x32, MPEG-2

ACID information
ACID chunk: no
Stretch chunk: no
Stretch list: no
Stretch info2: no
Beat markers: no
Detected beats: no

Other metadata
Regions/markers: no
Command markers: no

Media manager
Media tags: no

Plug-In
Name: mcplug.dll
Folder: C:\Program Files\Sony\Shared Plug-Ins\File Formats\MCMPEG
Version: Version 2.0 (Build 1151)
Company: Sony Pictures Digital Inc.

Here is the info for the old file, that according to DVDA 3, does not need to be recompressed..

General
Name: test2.mpg
Folder: G:\Music\test
Type: MainConcept MPEG-2
Size: 6.38 MB (6,531,072 bytes)
Created: Sunday, April 24, 2005, 9:34:09 PM
Modified: Sunday, April 24, 2005, 9:34:45 PM
Accessed: Sunday, April 24, 2005, 9:34:45 PM
Attributes: Archive

Streams
Video: 00:00:08.542, 29.970 fps interlaced, 720x480x32, MPEG-2

ACID information
ACID chunk: no
Stretch chunk: no
Stretch list: no
Stretch info2: no
Beat markers: no
Detected beats: no

Other metadata
Regions/markers: no
Command markers: no

Media manager
Media tags: no

Plug-In
Name: mcplug.dll
Folder: C:\Program Files\Sony\Shared Plug-Ins\File Formats\MCMPEG
Version: Version 2.0 (Build 1151)
Company: Sony Pictures Digital Inc.

See why I'm baffled? What I really can't figure out, is when I select my Vegas 5 preset..it's works fine (in 6) but changing those 2 things in Vegas 6 w/o using my Vegas 5 preset, just won't work.

Some other tests I ran...
DVDA - 2 pass + Good Quality = no recompress
DVDA - Best Quality = no recompress
NTSC DVD - 2 Pass + Best Quality = needs recompress

For whatever reason..it appears to be limited to 2 pass on high quality..no matter what the output (regular NTSC or DVDA) output..

Any ideas? d:-)

Comments

SonySDB wrote on 4/25/2005, 5:53 AM

I'm not able to repro this problem. Here is what I tried...

1. Opened a project in Vegas 6.
2. File | Render As...
3. Set 'Save as type' to 'MainConcept MPEG-2 (*.mpg)'
4. Set 'Template' to 'DVD Architect NTSC video stream'
5. Clicked 'Custom...'
6. On project page, set 'Video render quality' to 'Best'
7. On video page, checked 'Two-pass'
8. Clicked Ok
9. Clicked Save
10. In DVDA3, File | New...
11. Set 'Project video format' to 'NTSC (720x480)'
11. Choose 'Single Movie' and press Ok
12. Choose the file rendered in the above steps and pressed Open
13. File | Optimize DVD...
It shows the video as being compliant (i.e. 'Video 1 | Complaint' is 'Yes' for this asset).

HomeDepot wrote on 4/25/2005, 6:21 AM

I just don't get it. That's exactly what I'm doing and it's saying it needs to be recompressed.

Does it have anything to do with the fact that I haven't uninstalled Vegas 5 or DVDA 2?

Thanks for trying to replicate the problem....

SonySDB wrote on 4/25/2005, 6:32 AM

No, whether Vegas5/DVDA2 is installed or not should have no effect.

One thing you should be aware of is that when a compliant video is used in an asset with more than one video track, it becomes non-compliant (i.e. non-compliant for multi-angle).

If you follow my steps _exactly_ (including steps 10-13), it says it needs to be recompressed?

HomeDepot wrote on 4/25/2005, 6:58 AM

I am at work right now and unable to reproduce, I will try when I get home.

I have not tried clicking single movie and will try that. (I still don't understand why it would work with the 5 preset, but not changing the settings on 6)

If it's a single movie, will I still be able to add other streams to the DVD? In other words... I have the main movie (no multi-angle or anything like that), a scene selection menu, and a special features menu with some other footage (no multi-angle)?

Now I need the day to be over, so I can give this a try!

HomeDepot wrote on 4/25/2005, 2:24 PM

Okay, I got home and did a test and the results were very very interesting. Adding each individual clip, by the method described above (new project - single movie....)they were all compliant. When adding them to a menu based product, they were sometimes compliant and sometimes not compliant.....

Here are the samples I made.
#1 - NTSC for Architect - Best - 2 Pass
#2 - NTSC for Architect - Best - 2 Pass (Set up under Vegas 5)
#3 - NTSC for Architect - Good - 2 Pass
#4 - NTSC DVD - Best - 2 Pass

When clicking on Menu-Based and adding 1clip...worked fine.
When clicking on Menu-Based and adding 2 clips..worked fine.
When clicking on Menu-Based and adding 3 clips, every additional clip added said it needed to be recompressed.

I tried adding every combination and it made no difference. One that was compliant the previous time, was uncompliant when added in the new dvd.

Keep in mind...they are about 6 megs each, so they certainly weren't being recompressed due to space limitations.

Any thoughts?

ottowr wrote on 4/26/2005, 1:34 AM

I have seen things like this with dvda2. I found that saving the DVDA project file, quitting DVDA, re-starting dvda and reloading the project fixed the problem! I have only seen it a few times though, 99.9% of the time it's ok.

HomeDepot wrote on 4/26/2005, 5:03 AM

Thanks ottowr... I was wondering if something like this would solve the problem. I wonder what is causing it? Unfortunately, these are busy times at work and I haven't had as much time as I want to mess around with DVDA3..

Thanks for the help. Truly appreciated!