Actually man made those last time I looked. What kind of comment is that?

-Randy

What kind of forum is this?

Jaegersing,
Answer: Video
I love the idea of fellow Vegas users giving links to their videos that they created in VEGAS 5.0. I don't know how many times I learned from it.

It is just crazy though as soon as someone has one bit of scripture (which has been used since early BC times) right off the bat you get some smart alec with a very illogical and immature remark.

What about remarks like, interesting approach or terrible opening or good graphic or bad graphic, what is winform app or something about the video? If you don't have a comment that is constructive then just skip this thread.

-Randy

Randy, maybe you could have just added the phrase "What do you think of the editing?".
That MIGHT have kept the "I can't handle people talking about religion/politics/ingrown toenails on my video editing software forum" types at bay.

I just watched it and without getting into which side of the fence I'm on, I will say that I thought it was well done. The only choice you made that I would question, is having the picture of a pregnant woman that is obviously way past the stage of abortion. That's kinda misleading.

Mario

Great work there Randy. The total production was really smooth and flawless.

Mario...The pregnant woman at the end..isnt "representing abortion" The video actually changes gears to a "Life" message.
I thought that was pretty cool.

Great Work..really gives me some more production questions with effects, ect...

Randy, that was nicely done. The only thing I saw that I would have done differently was the zoom and pan on the first fetus image. The movement from one to the next wasn't smooth. It zoomed in, stopped for a brief moment, then started to pan left. Had it been done in one fluid movement, I think it would have worked better, for me anyway.

I think this is one of your best.

Randy,

Very nicely done. I though the music got a little loud and somewhat distorted in the middle around the Roe v Wade part just before the crescendo. I listened both with headphones and speakers and there just seemed to be slight distortion that was distracting. Maybe take them down just a bit at that point (maybe the audio lost something in its translation to flash) Otherwise the video was very well done.

BTW, Bravo on the subject line. It lets anyone know right from the start what the work you are sharing is about and they can choose not to click on the thread if they think they will be offended. Good work on both counts and thanks for sharing your work. It’s always great to see what others are doing.

~jr

I think it is pretty nicely done - gets the point across, without being so blatently shocking as to only hold shock value. Music was a little distorted, but otherwise, good job.

Cliff

Randy, you obviously already know its appropriate to add OT to any topic not directly related to how to use Vegas. Certain topics are controversial, inflammatory even and sure to stir emotions. YOU KNOW THAT and have been told before that you spaming this forum with your religious views in far off topic. Interesting that the site you link to is called Sound the Trumpet, when in fact you're tooting your horn shamelessly using this forum to push your view. Abortion vids pro or con, surely fit in that category. You should know better to then to shove them in someone's face in a video forum. At least put OT in front so people are warned ahead of time. I happen to be pro life, but for somebody to use this forum that clearly has an agenda is wrong. Period.

What is starting to happen now to this forum is what I warned about. First we have one guy shamelessly using it to promote himself, now we have another to shamelessly push his religuous views. Both are very inappropriate.

Billy,

Every day we get more than many would like of you shamelessly promoting your world views, sharing unwanted "homespun wisdom" and pushing it as absolute Truth. From where I stand, if there's anyone to be criticised for spamming, it's you -- at least Randy is showing some work to critique.

I'm pro choice but I also am more than that, someone who believes Randy has the right to say his peace, despite our socio-political differences on an open forum. If you don't like what he has to say, skip replying to the thread and let it disappear all the quicker.

- jim

I guess this opens the door to someone posting a Vegas animation titled "The Best Way to Gas a Jew" on the pretext of asking for editorial advice.

I formally request that the Sony moderator lock this thread.

I won't get into a huge debate but I do think that even without the customary "OT" it was pretty clear what the thread was before coming into it. Seems to me this was something that many members requested last time round. With that said I don't have a problem with it, not anymore than if it would have been a pro-choice video. My only advice to Randy would be modify the post with an "OT" and remember to add it next time and your clean.

As for the video itself, wasn't bad but felt it was a little long, lost my interest around half way through. Without taking sides over the actual issue, I do think the Eagles egg argument was a clever if not persuasive one.

- Ray

www.undergroundplanet.com

Here we go again...
I'm off to the pro-life forum to post some DVD burning tips. :)

Thank you so much for the comments on the audio peeking at certain parts.
I will try to fix that.

BillyBoy,
This is why I put on the top "PRO LIFE VIDEO" with biblical arguments. Now if you want to proceed you have "Free Choice".
Yes!! I made this video to illustrate a point of a view. Now show me one video that does not do this. I don't care if you are showing your kid playing basketball or Tiddlywinks they are both promoting that sport. Now if I think that basketball is too manly and promotes violence and I'm offended does that mean no one should ever post a basketball video. This one happens to be on abortion and I say so what.
Should Vegas be used for any 30 second commercials? According to your comments the answer is no. That is a pity for I would want anyone that made a commercial using this powerful editing tool to post a link here. Like I said earlier this is the best way to learn.
I looked at your past 3 pages of threads and wow your a great forum member with lots of excellent advice for youhappened to be well knowledged tech guy. However, I could not find any of your work... I would love to see it and yes even if it is on Evolution, Politics or Italian pasta making. A powerful key to any successful video is to do one on what you really believe in. I have always posted lnks to my projects it just so happens my last two are on touchy subjects...I say yes I might even have a third.

-Randy

Earlier in this thread I asked Sony to lock this thread. Actually, it should be deleted as violative of the forum rules. Here is the appropriate section:

"SERVICE RULES
You are entirely responsible and liable for all activities conducted by you and any authorized user of your Account while utilizing the Services, including the transmission, posting, or other provision of text, files, links, software, photographs, video, sound, music or other information or material to any portion of the Services ("Service Content"). Listed below are some, though not all, violations that may be punishable by law or may also result in SPD terminating or suspending your access to the Services.

You agree not to do any of the following actions while using any Services:

Harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress or discomfort upon another Services participant, user or other individual or entity;
Transmit any content, using any of the Services, that SPD and/or any governmental agency considers to be disruptive, unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable....
Disrupt the normal flow of dialogue in a SPD chat room or forum, or otherwise act in a manner that negatively affects other participants....

Please respect these rules. I don't come here to get religion, even indirectly. I have said before that my religion is my own business and nobody else's. I'd love to participate in a discussion of the proper legal definition of abortion and the long-existing policies behind the tiered structure of abortion laws but this is not the place for it!

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Ok... Honest question (it may sound like a smart-alek remark since this is typed):
What's the hub-bub? Rand CLEARLY detailed what the piece was about. If it even potentially offended someone, there was no obligation to watch the vid. I don't even feel it's OT - not any more than if it were about skydiving.
The point about slaughtering Jews above is... taken, but in all fairness, though the subject is abhorant, it COULD be posted... I suppose. ...in all fairness. yuk. But that post would have to face the consequences of the ramifications - and again, no one would have to watch it since the attached msg would clearly define what the vid was about.
If I did a porn video (which, if you knew me, you'd know how very unlikely that is), and posted it with a disclaimer in the message, "Warning, nudity and graphic sexual content is in this video - don't watch it if you're going to be offended."
Would it be ok to post that or no? assuming I was honestly looking for editing suggestions and critiques.
I just don't get it. What does Sony have to say about "questionable" subjects.
Edit:
Ok... I just read the note from editor333 and can see the point. Sony is a bit ambiguous about what is "offensive." Still, I feel that with the proper warning in the subject/msg, it's up to US to moderate ourselves. Don't read if you may be offended. It's simple.

Randy:

How did you set up the text portion where the word "womb" falls in and then the remaining text falls in place above and below it? I've done some similar effects (words drop one at a time) using only Vegas but it was a pain....curious how you did it.

Editor3333 you said,
" I guess this opens the door to someone posting a Vegas animation titled "The Best Way to Gas a Jew"

Did you know that Abortion is the #1 fought subject in congress?
Since when is a "Pro Life abortion video comparable to gasing a Jew?

-Randy

My last comment on this point. This is not the editorial page of the New York Times. It's a tech forum for NLE software, and the rules are very clear. No topic that can "embarrass or cause distress or discomfort upon another Services participant, user or other individual or entity" is to be placed on this private, commercial forum. It's very impressive that all the contributors have rushed to demonstrate how fair and open-minded they are, and I would love to see that at a town meeting, or in an election campaign. But my comment about "Jews" was an illustration of the Pandora's Box you open, once you allow political dissent to take the guise of tech questions.

The proper way to raise the subject of this post is to acknowledge the provocative nature of the subject matter, describe the video's content in a few words, and invite users to e-mail the member for the address of the video, rather than putting a link directly to the site in this forum.

To Mr. Randy: I don't intend any personal offense to you, I'm only criticizing an ill-advised decision you made. There's a way to do what you want to do without offending people, set forth in the paragraph above. You give away your 'agenda' by claiming abortion is the #1 subject fought in Congress. What exactly does that have to do with Sony corporation's products? (That's a rhetorical question, you don't have to answer it.)

P.S. to M.J. If you were to post a link to a porn video on this forum you'd be committing a criminal offense.
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Boomhower,
Discalaimer: the following answer has the word "womb"

This is how I did it:
First I made the entire quote on one track. Then where the word womb appeared would be my target point for a seperate track that has the one word text "womb" I would then pan this word to match the word Womb.
Then you have option to make a space where the word "womb" appeared.
I hope this helps this is hard for me to explain.

-Randy

editor3333
I'll rephrase for your sake since you don't seem to be understanding the point;
"what if I were to produce "R" rated material."
The question remains, what is "offensive" or "objectionable." To you, clearly there's a lot that shouldn't be discussed here. For me, I reley on my on judgement as to what I see and read. If I was duped, COME SEE LITTLE DUCKIES FROLICING AND KIDS EATING CANDY! and found that the vid was of Jews being gassed, I'd certainly be among those complaining. But if the subject is clearly marked, then I'm the only one responsible for me.
Honestly, I didn't watch the video. I know which side of that extreme debate I'm on and didn't need any reinforcement. Nor did I want any more potentially disturbing images in my head on that topic, so I didn't view it. Randy did a good job in disclaiming what was in there. I say, unless Sony has a view on the matter, let it be.
Then again, we could persue this debate until technology changes, but you and I will never agree on this, I'm guessing.

My whole point that sailed over the heads of a couple, is if you allow one guy to post off topic, then others will follow. We're seeing exactly that at increasing frequency. Its ruining this forum.

The originator of this thread didn't offer a single useful point about how Vegas was used in the video linked to and for sure you couldn't tell if Vegas or some other application was used to create it or not. Others, one in particular, has spammed this forum for well over a year starting endless off topic self promotional threads, rarely bothering to add OT either.

The moderators blindly look the other way every time this one indvidual does his spamming which is near daily. Again I say rules are for all to follow. If somebody thinks they deserve exemption from some or all the rules, they should be brave enough to step forward and explain why. Moderators should apply all rules evenly. They clearly do not. Favortism is alive and well here. What seems to matter most isn't if or not the thread is on topic, rather if or not one poster has some pull due to his past relationship with SonicFoundy, which apparently he feels gives him the right to routinely thumb his nose at rules if they get in the way of him promoting himself.

Such practices reflect negatively on Sony for allowing it. Now it seems we're treated to evangelism type videos. This isn't the first time Randy spammed us with his "religous view" vids. So I guess if someone uses Vegas to make some porno, we'll get a link to that as well.

Any thread clearly started to express a point of view can be disruptive.
Accordingly there was no reason to link to a abortion video and clearly anyone can see though such attempts to again spew religious and/or moral/legal views here. There is already a site for forum members to post their videos to for critique or simple enjoyement by others. Randy is also well aware which site. It isn't this one.

Ignoring the rules opens the flood gates for someone else to offer even more questionable videos maybe devil worship, bomb making or why I hate Bush or UFO's or anything that's sure to cause noise, simply on the pretext they used Vegas to make the video, which obviously isn't why the original poster offered the link he did.