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Subject:anyone use acid with an akai MPC???????
Posted by: schirall
Date:1/27/2005 1:58:58 PM
i'm having bigtime problems syncing the two up with MIDI. any help would be greatly appreciated!! |
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Subject:RE: anyone use acid with an akai MPC???????
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:1/28/2005 5:52:34 PM
Did you try searching SPD's Knowledge Base concerning the issue? Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid Buy Instant ACID by JohnnyRoy and Me! Now! mD at ACIDplanet |
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Subject:RE: anyone use acid with an akai MPC???????
Reply by: schirall
Date:1/29/2005 8:52:46 PM
yeah,thanks i got it to trigger the akai,but the timing startrs to f$#k up as it's playing.i thought someone might have had a similar problem. anyone???lol thanks for the reply. |
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Subject:RE: anyone use acid with an akai MPC???????
Reply by: MJhig
Date:1/29/2005 9:40:00 PM
You would be better served by describing EXACTLY how you have set up your external device, Acid, your interface and connections. Then describe EXACTLY your technique including master/slave and every step you take and what you are trying to accomplish. MJ |
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Subject:RE: anyone use acid with an akai MPC???????
Reply by: mactac
Date:2/2/2005 11:43:54 AM
No, the problem is well known. basically, Acid is not capable of sending a stable midi clock. there are 2 issues: 1. because of lag issues, the acid midi clock will not start sample-accurate ... ie the midi & ACID will have different start times, so they will START out of sync. sometimes you get lucky & they start at the same time, but usually not 2. if acid has a loop (ie a repeat), and looping play is turned on, it will lose it's sync every time it hits the loop point these 2 problems are known by Sony & It's shocking that they have not been fixed, esp since they are on v5. These 2 bugs make the product completely unuseable in a larger midi setup, ie one where there are slave clocks. BAD, bad one, sony |
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Subject:RE: anyone use acid with an akai MPC???????
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:2/2/2005 11:48:04 AM
Could the problem not be with ACID but with the MIDI hardware used? I've slaved Vegas to ACID using the Virtual MIDI Router once without any problems but that was a little while ago. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid Buy Instant ACID by JohnnyRoy and Me! Now! mD at ACIDplanet |
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Subject:RE: anyone use acid with an akai MPC???????
Reply by: mactac
Date:2/2/2005 12:12:20 PM
no, it's not the hardware. Sonar, Cubase, and Logic all work 100% solid. I've tried it with many, many pieces of gear, even with different computers. It's ACID, 100% positive. i've probably spend a good 100 hours on these 2 particular problems. it's a known issue in their release documentation. I'm just amazed it hasn't been fixed. this is exactly the type of thing that makes acid seem like a toy & not a professional piece of software. there is a ton of stuff like this |
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Subject:RE: anyone use acid with an akai MPC???????
Reply by: schirall
Date:2/2/2005 12:42:34 PM
wow,thanks mactac,i've never trusted acid specificallly for this kind of crap,but using it with the akai makes life easier.(well'it could possibly,i wouldn't know yet.LOL is there any way around this,i'm having trouble also setting acid to receive from the akai.that just won't happen. i'm kindof stuck, your exactly right,it falls off sync,well,worse off at the loop points. damn this sucks. thanks for any advice. |
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Subject:RE: anyone use acid with an akai MPC???????
Reply by: mactac
Date:2/2/2005 12:58:16 PM
you know, i don't think therfe is any way around it at all, except don't use loop points. ie just copy & paste over & over...... then try recording the sudio from your mpc or other midi gear into acid (of course it might take a few tries because of the start timing issue) once it starts on time & there are no repeats, the midi timing is fairly stable... it's *really* loose, but usually keeps it together long enough to get your audio recorded the other option is to not use external sequencers at all... ie trigger the mpc or other intruments from midi tracks in acid & forget about the sync. of course this method is not good for gear that have really cool sequencers (tb303, fr777, etc etc) it's really too bad that the midi output is no good... oh, and forget about using the mpc as a master ...acid can't do it :) paul |
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Subject:RE: anyone use acid with an akai MPC???????
Reply by: pwppch
Date:2/2/2005 1:48:54 PM
Which MPC model are you using? What MIDI hardware are you using? Peter |
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Subject:RE: anyone use acid with an akai MPC???????
Reply by: mactac
Date:2/2/2005 1:52:56 PM
hehe. I have a good 8-10 pieces of midi gear with sequencers. none of them work properly with acid. i have 2 midi interfaces (a midex 8 & a delta 10/10) , and have tried it with 2 others as well. I have tried it on 2 computers again, it's not the hardware, that I am positive about. it's acid. IN FACT, if you read the release notes, it's a known issue. |
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Subject:RE: anyone use acid with an akai MPC???????
Reply by: mactac
Date:2/2/2005 2:16:16 PM
ok, this thread was continued under "timing issues" |
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Subject:RE: anyone use acid with an akai MPC???????
Reply by: pwppch
Date:2/2/2005 6:42:05 PM
Thanks for you input amd insights mactac. If you wouldn't mind, I'd still like shirall to respond. shirall, if you could answer my questions, it would be appreciated. Thanks Peter |
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Subject:RE: anyone use acid with an akai MPC???????
Reply by: schirall
Date:2/3/2005 8:23:56 PM
thanks again for your replies,mactac,you're right acid won't follow.this is nuts.acid is billed as "professional",right? peter,thank also,i have the akai mpc 1000(newest model,small one) and for midi i have an m-audio one in one out.it is selected under the sync preferences. everything works,it just won't keep time. |
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Subject:RE: anyone use acid with an akai MPC???????
Reply by: pwppch
Date:2/3/2005 9:27:29 PM
What is your audio card? (In previous posts you had an M-box. Is this still the case? Did you resolve the problems you had with it?) What audio driver model are you using? ASIO or Wave Classic? What is your buffer setting or sample frame size if using ASIO? Tell me step by step how you are connecting and setting ACID up. If you have successfully made the MPC slave to other hosts, tell me what hosts and how you achieved the sync. Peter |
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Subject:RE: anyone use acid with an akai MPC???????
Reply by: coolout
Date:2/4/2005 4:12:34 AM
dude...using midi sync is like so 1995. i have a mpc 2000 plus a host of other old school samplers like the casio rz-1 (sampling drum machine) and korg dsm-1 (rackmount). i found it easier if i don't even use the sampler in the mpc, just the pads and sometimes the sequencer. it's quicker to load sounds into NI's battery or that free drum sampler that comes in computer music magazine and trigger from the mpc pads live. if you're dead set on using the effects in the mpc you can just dump your audio into acid and line up the start point. even if midi sync worked flawlessly you would still have to knudge either the acid loops or samples in the mpc to get them to groove just right most of the time. try it with another host and you'll see what i'm talking about. that's my 2 cents... |
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Subject:RE: anyone use acid with an akai MPC???????
Reply by: schirall
Date:2/6/2005 3:47:26 PM
you know what,i'm over it,man thanks i worked out a system.and moved on.lol |