"Acid and the musician" thread at Vegas forum -ACID Product Family

Subject:"Acid and the musician" thread at Vegas forum Posted by: TorS Date:1/4/2005 10:47:02 AM Some of you might want to have a look at this thread at the Vegas - Video forum. It touches several aspects of the "Acid-operator and/or musical composer" complex. Some of you might have views on that. Tor
Subject:RE: "Acid and the musician" thread at Vegas forum Reply by: karl_m Date:1/4/2005 4:17:56 PM Well, I'm new to ACID but not to recording, and here's what I placed in the VEGAS thread: I usedta really sneer at 'loopmeisters' who can't play a lick on a REAL instrument, but can drag sounds-recorded-by-others into something resembing music. Which doesn't include hiphop or rap, IMO. But now that I've seen the power of ACID, I'm sold - within limits. I'm a good keyboard player, and just did an entire album with a guitarist in my home studio using my keys and MIDI rack and playback gear, along with his guitars, Samplitude, and ACID. He has a large ACID library of various kinds of percussion - full kits, hand perc of all kinds. After identifying a basic time signature (not all of them 4/4) and tempo, we used ACID to create initial drum tracks, converted to stereo WAV, and imported that into Samplitude for the main recording, audio plus occasional MIDI. Later, we converted the Samplitude instruments-minus-percussion tracks into a WAV, imported THAT back into ACID, and then customized the rhythm environment to match the music tracks within ACID. Then we made a stereo WAV file of this updated rhythm track, and imported it back into Samplitude. Mixed within Samplitude, normalized the mixes and even assembled the album tracks onscreen for final burn to Red Book CD. Really fast and intuitive way of working. So.. I really liked ACID for what WE used it for - as a really cool drum/percussion generator. But part of my prejudice remains. I'm sure that there's enough instrument loops out there for a non-musician to create something, as I said, that superficially resembles music. Are you a musician if that's what you do? Well, anyone can call themselves anything. But what will a musician with expertise on their instrument consider you? Non musician ACID loop-gurus can hide out within the rap/hiphop community, because that's all they can do, too. I admit my prejudice.
Subject:RE: "Acid and the musician" thread at Vegas forum Reply by: Iacobus Date:1/5/2005 10:53:48 AM Hmm. What if you do both? I'm a musician who plays an instrument (electric and Classical guitar) and arranges ACID compositions. Part of ACID's power is the custom material you can throw at it, which I typically do when I need guitar parts. Surprisingly, not a lot of people take advantage of this. Even if you have never managed to lay a finger on an instrument, you can still create some far out stuff if you know ACID inside and out. And, in my opinion, arrangement is just as much an art as anything else as it takes more skill than just, "pick, paint and play," to get something to sound great. (Flying off a tangent, creating your own custom ACIDized loops isn't exactly easy either. There's some work involved.) Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid Pre-order Instant ACID mD at ACIDplanet Guitars 4 Kids
Subject:RE: "Acid and the musician" thread at Vegas forum Reply by: djcarwax Date:1/5/2005 11:30:02 AM i wouldn't get too caught up in the semantics of it... musician/composer/loopologist...someone who creates original music is a musician. whether it's sung, played or dropped and dragged. some of the best dj's out there...steve lawler, mauro picotto, paul oakenfold take pieces of beats, hear something special that someone else didn't and create something more beautiful than the original. or jsut different from the original. would it matter anyway? would guru from gangstarr be offended if he was placed in the same catagory with someone who simply uses acid to create music? it's all about the music...music never seperated each other, no one style is truer than another...it's all music. and the creators are called musicians.

Subject:"Acid and the musician" thread at Vegas forum

Posted by: TorS

Date:1/4/2005 10:47:02 AM

Some of you might want to have a look at this thread at the Vegas - Video forum. It touches several aspects of the "Acid-operator and/or musical composer" complex. Some of you might have views on that.
Tor

Subject:RE: "Acid and the musician" thread at Vegas forum

Reply by: karl_m

Date:1/4/2005 4:17:56 PM

Well, I'm new to ACID but not to recording, and here's what I placed in the VEGAS thread:

I usedta really sneer at 'loopmeisters' who can't play a lick on a REAL instrument, but can drag sounds-recorded-by-others into something resembing music. Which doesn't include hiphop or rap, IMO.

But now that I've seen the power of ACID, I'm sold - within limits.

I'm a good keyboard player, and just did an entire album with a guitarist in my home studio using my keys and MIDI rack and playback gear, along with his guitars, Samplitude, and ACID.

He has a large ACID library of various kinds of percussion - full kits, hand perc of all kinds.

After identifying a basic time signature (not all of them 4/4) and tempo, we used ACID to create initial drum tracks, converted to stereo WAV, and imported that into Samplitude for the main recording, audio plus occasional MIDI.

Later, we converted the Samplitude instruments-minus-percussion tracks into a WAV, imported THAT back into ACID, and then customized the rhythm environment to match the music tracks within ACID. Then we made a stereo WAV file of this updated rhythm track, and imported it back into Samplitude.

Mixed within Samplitude, normalized the mixes and even assembled the album tracks onscreen for final burn to Red Book CD.

Really fast and intuitive way of working.

So.. I really liked ACID for what WE used it for - as a really cool drum/percussion generator.

But part of my prejudice remains. I'm sure that there's enough instrument loops out there for a non-musician to create something, as I said, that superficially resembles music. Are you a musician if that's what you do? Well, anyone can call themselves anything. But what will a musician with expertise on their instrument consider you?

Non musician ACID loop-gurus can hide out within the rap/hiphop community, because that's all they can do, too. I admit my prejudice.

Subject:RE: "Acid and the musician" thread at Vegas forum

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:1/5/2005 10:53:48 AM

Hmm.

What if you do both? I'm a musician who plays an instrument (electric and Classical guitar) and arranges ACID compositions.

Part of ACID's power is the custom material you can throw at it, which I typically do when I need guitar parts. Surprisingly, not a lot of people take advantage of this. Even if you have never managed to lay a finger on an instrument, you can still create some far out stuff if you know ACID inside and out.

And, in my opinion, arrangement is just as much an art as anything else as it takes more skill than just, "pick, paint and play," to get something to sound great.

(Flying off a tangent, creating your own custom ACIDized loops isn't exactly easy either. There's some work involved.)

Iacobus
-------
RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid
Pre-order Instant ACID
mD at ACIDplanet
Guitars 4 Kids

Subject:RE: "Acid and the musician" thread at Vegas forum

Reply by: djcarwax

Date:1/5/2005 11:30:02 AM

i wouldn't get too caught up in the semantics of it...

musician/composer/loopologist...someone who creates original music is a musician. whether it's sung, played or dropped and dragged.

some of the best dj's out there...steve lawler, mauro picotto, paul oakenfold take pieces of beats, hear something special that someone else didn't and create something more beautiful than the original. or jsut different from the original.

would it matter anyway? would guru from gangstarr be offended if he was placed in the same catagory with someone who simply uses acid to create music?

it's all about the music...music never seperated each other, no one style is truer than another...it's all music. and the creators are called musicians.