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Subject:Media Manager Tags
Posted by: knowbody
Date:11/13/2004 4:17:40 PM
I read through the Media Manager Section of the manual and I am none the wiser. I have the Sony Reference Library Installed. I created a new library and added files from the 1001 Sound Effects CD. Under file options both check boxes regarding tags were checked. The Sony Reference LIbrary doesn't recognise that I have the Sound Effects CD.. The only Sound Effects Tag that seems to be present is animals. Do I have to make other tags myself? If so what is the purpose of the check boxes in the options menu? Help would be appreciated. Chris (Hunt) |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: Rockitglider
Date:11/14/2004 6:36:42 AM
Hello again, Yes this is true, It doesn't see the sound effects CD, but it does see all the other loop CD's. Rockitglider |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: knowbody
Date:11/14/2004 7:28:22 AM
Hi again, Just tried with Classic Country - it doesn't see that either. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding how it works. The files are all greyed out in the Reference Library and if I double click on a file it tells me to buy it. Is that the same for you or is my reference library not working? I think the Media Manager could be useful but I've noticed that sometimes the preview doesn't work properly. Also the advanced tag for rating is annoying. Choose the subcategory equal to or greater than and you have to make the tag window really wide to use the tag. Should have used mathematical symbols and save space. Also the advanced tag box doesn't always come up when the button is pressed. It's not working at the moment. The whole manager seems a bit erratic. Cheers, Chris |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:11/14/2004 7:05:06 PM
It sounds like ACID is not referencing the Sony Sound Series Loops and Samples reference library when you add media to your library. Click the "Media Library Actions" button. Select, "Options." Under "reference library," be sure that "Sony Sound Series Loops and Samples" is selected. HTH, Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid Pre-order Instant ACID My ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: knowbody
Date:11/14/2004 9:19:25 PM
Thanks Iacobus, I've already tried that. Could it be something to do with the fact that my loops are not on C* drive? Chris |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: Rockitglider
Date:11/14/2004 10:14:50 PM
Hello again, Yup you're right, if I have the referance library selected my classic country loops are greyed out, if I switch to the search view they're OK and they play fine. I don't know what's going on with it. Also, mine are on Drive F:, but I don't think it matters. Rockitglider |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: knowbody
Date:11/14/2004 10:21:15 PM
Yes, I can find them in the libary I have created. Can you find any loops that aren't greyed out in the Reference Library? Thanks, Chris |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: jwf
Date:11/15/2004 9:48:14 AM
None of the loops in the reference library will ever appear non-grey. The reference library has two benefits: 1. You can view the collection of loops available, browse which loops are on which collections, and read a bit about them. Unfortunately, you cannot preview them directly. This is all this view of the reference library ever does. You access this view by pushing the reference library toolbar button. 2. When the reference library is installed and selected in the Media Manager options dialog, then whenever loops are added to _your own_ media library we look in the reference library behind the scenes to see if the file matches. If it does, we automatically create some tag associations for you, but in _your own_ media library. This is our way of having a time machine and going back and added meta data to all the loop files that we've already shipped for many years. Does this clarify the reference library usage at all? Thanks. |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: knowbody
Date:11/15/2004 1:15:07 PM
Thanks for the reply - so basically the reference library is a sales catalogue - it's not really a library, just a buy this list. As it stands it tells me to buy loops I already possess. I would have thought it would at least show me which libraries I own. Ideally I should be able to preview loops and add them as well - that would make it a real library. Once I have made my own libraries do I really need to have the reference library selected in Media Manager? Does it use resources? If I bring it up it seems slow to activate. It would seem that once I've made my own media libraries I don't really need it? Chris |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: jwf
Date:11/15/2004 1:45:44 PM
Without the reference library installed and selected in the options, you won't get any automatic tagging of older Sony Sound Series Loops & Samples files that you already own while building out your personal media library. However, if you have completely built out your own media library and have scanned all your existing Sony loop collections, you may want to disable the reference library within the Media Manager options dialog. It does take up some resources to have it enabled even when it is not displayed. New Sony Sound Series Loops & Samples collections will contain tags and other metadata that will be picked up by the Media Manager directly without needing to consult the reference library. |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: JohnnyRoy
Date:11/15/2004 2:30:51 PM
> so basically the reference library is a sales catalogue - it's not really a library I have to come to Sony’s defense on this one since I was one of the people who asked for this. Having scanned in my loop libraries and coming up with no tags, I remarked: “Who has time to tag 1000’s of loops? Not me! Wouldn’t it be great if Sony could at least supply tags for the loops they sell?” So Sony listened to us and provided tags for their loop libraries and they are being seen as a sales catalogue. They are an enormous time savings for people who have purchased the Sony loop libraries and have better things to do with their time than create tags for their loops manually. Please try to appreciate what Sony has done. You have the option not to install them or turn them off. I think it was great of Sony to do this. ~jr |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: billybk
Date:11/15/2004 5:59:02 PM
I would not call the Sony Reference Library a sales catalogue either, although I could see how someone might look at it that way. It is ideal for someone like me who has 23GB of Sony loop libraries on a firewire HD copied over directly from the CDROM's, with no time nor desire to sit and tag 30,000 loop files. With the Sony Reference Library, with it's pre-made tags for the entire Sony loop catalogue, my 30,000 Sony loops were tagged in 40 minutes while I went and had lunch :) Now I can find any loop I want in a matter of seconds through various search criteria. Let's see, I need a certain bass loop for this project, I 'll do a quick search based on my criteria: Rock | Bass | 90-110BPM | Key of A | 4 measure loop BOOM! In a matter of seconds I have 50 loops out of my 30,000 that exactly match what I am looking for, all ready for instant preview as I continue work on my project without wasting time going through endless folders searching aimlessly for that elusive loop and losing my creative flow. If you have an extensive Sony Loop library, the Sony Reference Library is a real time saver as the tags are already made for you, all you have to do is scan your hard drives and allow the SRL to match the loops you own to what is in Sony's vast catalogue. |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: knowbody
Date:11/15/2004 7:17:37 PM
I have over 30 Sonic Foundry/Sony loop CDs so I do thank Sony for providing a way of tagging them. But the way the reference library has been implemented still shouts "Sales catalogue!" to me. I guess it just grates that it doesn't show me what I have. It could really just sit in the background since bringing it up does nothing at all unless I want to buy something. Perhaps if the manual was clearer I wouldn't have built up my expectations for it. But I will say that I'd rather have it and the ability to tag the loops than not have it and need to tag the loops myself. Having said this a few more categories wouldn't have gone amiss. The 1001 Sound Effects CD, for example, only creates a tag for animals.But a starting point is better than no starting point at all. I wonder what the practical maximum number of loops for a single library is. I guess it depends upon one's overall computer spec? Cheers, Chris |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:11/15/2004 7:40:18 PM
The 1001 Sound Effects CD, for example, only creates a tag for animals.But a starting point is better than no starting point at all. Actually, if you hover over the tag field in the Search Results window, it'll tell you a list a tags that specific loop has. Most of the 1,001 Sound Effects have other tags like "Cinematic/Soundtrack" and "Experimental Noise." You can have as many loops in a library as you want. It's how many that are listed at a time in the Search Results that a user might want to think about. (There's a "View All Matching" link in the Search Results. If you have a lot of loops in your library, be careful. You might be sitting there for awhile.) Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid Pre-order Instant ACID My ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: Rockitglider
Date:11/15/2004 8:02:16 PM
Hello guys, I have to say I like the rating stars, this will help me alot once I get them all rated, I went through two CD's so far and rated them, but I also have 23,000 loops to go through, but it's a good system to start with and I'm sure they will improve upon it. So I too thank Sony for this new system. See ya, Rockitglider |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: knowbody
Date:11/16/2004 2:15:52 AM
Yes, I think the rating system could be useful. It's a pity that symbols aren't used for the advance search criteria.- "Greater than or equal to" is so long the search window has to be really wide in order to use it. I tried hovering over the search results window but I didn't see any additional information. Perhaps I'm hovering in the wrong place? Even so the number of premade tag boxes for 1001 effects is woefully small. Still I guess it is early days with this and Media Manager can only get better. Chris |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:11/16/2004 11:19:04 AM
You have to hover over the "Tag" field in the Search Results to see the list of tags to a particular loop. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid Pre-order Instant ACID My ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: knowbody
Date:11/16/2004 5:36:25 PM
Thanks Iacobus, got it. That's a nice feature. But if an individual loop has a tag why doesn't the media library create a reference for it in the tags panel - as I mentioned for 1001 loops the only tag recreated is animals. One would have thought the tags would have been created via the reference library? Chris |
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Subject:RE: Media Manager Tags
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:11/17/2004 6:29:21 PM
It looks like tags for the 1,001 sound effects library are subtags for other tags as well. (E.g., "Cinematic/Soundtrack" is under "Genres.") It may just have been something they missed. Thankfully, creating your own tags and applying them to multiple files is very easy. You just create your tag, select the files in the Search Results, and then drag your custom tag to the selected files and let go. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid Pre-order Instant ACID My ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids |