Subject:Where is Acid 6?

Posted by: jtxx000

Date:10/28/2004 2:33:07 PM

just kidding....

Subject:RE: Where is Acid 6?

Reply by: DKeenum

Date:10/28/2004 3:52:45 PM

Good one!

Subject:RE: Where is Acid 6?

Reply by: FlickBookHero

Date:10/29/2004 1:46:10 AM

It's funny,
Yesterday when I posted exactly the same thread, the admin deleted my post.

All because I said that I have been enjoying the "new" features of acid 5 for the the last 2 years with sonar (and occasionally cubase).

Lets see how long this will last.

Peter.

www.soundsichiban.com

Subject:RE: Where is Acid 6?

Reply by: AcidJoker

Date:10/29/2004 5:06:25 AM

Before Acid 6.0, we'll have to deal with Acid 5.0a, 5.0b, 5.0c, 5.0d, 5.0e ... (don't know where to stop the list) ...

Subject:RE: Where is Acid 6?

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:10/29/2004 6:29:31 AM

> I have been enjoying the "new" features of acid 5 for the the last 2 years with sonar

SONAR just got track folder support last month with version 4 so you couldn’t have been using that for 2 years. SONAR doesn’t have a media manager for loops so you couldn’t have been using that for 2 years. I don’t believe SONAR has the ability to apply Grooves to loops so I don’t see how you would have been using that for 2 years.

So, I’m just not sure what you think you’ve been using in SONAR that is new to ACID 5. Yes, SONAR and others have jumped on the ACID bandwagon and now support ACIDized loops but ACID 5 proves that Sony is still innovating in this area and is leading in loop based composition. (which is what ACID does best)

~jr

Subject:RE: Where is Acid 6?

Reply by: Spirit

Date:10/29/2004 6:51:58 AM

It is what Acid does best. Unfortunately it's also the only thing Acid does.

Subject:RE: Where is Acid 6?

Reply by: billybk

Date:10/29/2004 8:04:20 AM

"All because I said that I have been enjoying the "new" features of acid 5 for the the last 2 years with sonar"


Hmmmm...... are you sure you have been using SONAR for the past 2 years?
I don't seem to recall SONAR 2, 3 or even the just released S4 having "Realtime Event Reverse", you can even make a whole project, in
ACID 5, go in reverse, in realtime during playback with one keystroke and nary a glitch and full PDC (Plugin Delay Compensation) using UAD-1 DSP plugins to boot. Until SONAR 4, my UAD-1 plugins would cause SONAR to choke and dropout when in simple loop mode. ACID has always been tight as a drum when looping projects using UAD-1 plugins.
I don't ever recall SONAR (any version) having a dockable Plugin Manager with the ability to create plugin chains for instant recall. I wish you could create plugin chains inside SONAR.
I don't seem to recall SONAR being able to burn redbook CD's with track markers, you can in ACID 5
I don't seem to recall SONAR being able to drop loops and one shots, in real-time, onto the timeline, without serious gapping in playback. A5 does it seamlessly smooth.
I don't recall SONAR being able to do surround sound mixes AND encode for DVD. It was only last month that S4 introduced surround mixing, BUT you still have to go outside to a third party to properly encode your mixes before you burn them.
I don't recall SONAR being able to be used as a ReWire slave
As a SONAR user, I don't ever recall being able to download for FREE new
loop content on a monthly basis. You can as a ACID Pro registered user, from within ACID Pro using the "Get Media Memebers Only". Over the course of a year you can download a whole CD worth of free ACIDized loops. An overlooked benefit to ACID Pro users, that you don't get with any other audio software.
Yeah, on the surface, SONAR like a lot of other apps nowadays can use loops, but when you dig deeper you will find that ACID 5 has a lot of unique features and benefits that generic looping apps don't. IMO, ACID Pro 5
still retains the crown for best Loop Arranging app in the world.

BTW, I am also a longtime SONAR user, since 1.0,
(already upgraded to SONAR 4 PE too)

Subject:RE: Where is Acid 6?

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:10/29/2004 9:52:20 AM

> Unfortunately it's also the only thing Acid does.

And that can be good or bad depending on how you like to work. Do you have a component stereo system or an all-inclusive one? Components let you pick and choose what you like. With non-component systems, you get what you get. Wouldn’t it be great to find a system that does everything you need. Unfortunately, that would have to be a custom built system because everyone needs something a little different. I love my Subaru but the cup holder blocks the radio and heating controls making it useless. You can’t have everything.

So it is only unfortunate if you expected ACID to do more. Sony has stated repeatedly that ACID is not a MIDI sequencer. You should not be surprised that MIDI sequencing is not their primary focus.

I have only one MIDI wish for ACID. I wish I could punch in-out with pre-roll and looping as separate takes (like Vegas does with audio). But now with ACID 5, I can ReWire it to SONAR and compose my MIDI tracks there. It’s the best of both worlds. I know some people don’t like to work that way. It’s ok, everyone is different. I understand your disappointment. (BTW, there were some enhancements to the Piano Roll Editor. I don't know what enhancements you were hoping for)

Overall, ACID 5 is packed with great features that I’ll be exploring for some time to come. I’m a happy camper.

~jr

Subject:RE: Where is Acid 6?

Reply by: Spirit

Date:10/29/2004 5:36:09 PM

You mean that it's a "feature of Acid" that you can compose your MIDI in Sonar !?

With a couple more of these excellent Acid *features* we won't need to use Acid at all !

Subject:RE: Where is Acid 6?

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:10/29/2004 7:57:50 PM

Yes, it’s a feature of ACID that I can use other applications to take advantage of the features that they have that ACID doesn’t. That makes ACID a valuable tool to me.

I do most of my MIDI recording in ACID but there are times when I want to play an extended piece in one shot and SONAR allows me to punch-in/out with multiple takes which makes my workflow easier. So yes, it’s valuable to be able to use SONAR and ReWrite ACID in seamlessly. Would I rather do the whole thing in ACID? Absolutely! Will ACID ever get punch-in/out capabilities? Your guess is a s good as mine.

~jr

Subject:RE: Where is Acid 6?

Reply by: zendar

Date:11/1/2004 3:00:32 AM

>It is what Acid does best. Unfortunately it's also the only thing Acid does.

FLOL

Subject:RE: Where is Acid 6?

Reply by: gjn

Date:11/1/2004 4:34:20 AM

We cannot compare comparable things;
Acid 5 and ableton 4. yes.


But sonar and acid does not compare.

Sonar owes compared with cubase 3 for example.


If acid5 is stable then it is a remarkable product.
innovation and ergonomie.


just for me ...sony...
news exemples with vidéo formation..

because...my language is french.

Subject:RE: Where is Acid 6?

Reply by: Rednroll

Date:11/1/2004 6:38:09 AM

"You mean that it's a "feature of Acid" that you can compose your MIDI in Sonar !?

With a couple more of these excellent Acid *features* we won't need to use Acid at all !"

LOL!!!!! Sorry, don't mean to participate in the peeing match, but that is fuuny to me. It pretty much sums up what I've been saying to the Sony folks. Maybe Acid isn't where midi sequencing belongs, the problem is that midi sequencing is a major part of a lot of peoples music creation process. So what is Sony's solution for this? Although, I agree that Acid and Sonar is not a fair comparison, I look at it this way. If I want a product that has loop sequencing and midi sequencing abilities and I only have $300 to spend. Do I choose the program which has the best looping feature with 20% of the feature set of the other programs midi sequencing capabilites, or do I choose the program with the best midi sequencing features and has 80% of the feature set of the best looping sequencer software? Optimally, I'ld like the best of both worlds, so I might consider purchasing both. Unfortunately, I only have $300 now, and the other $300 program will have to be a later purchase. So which program do I purchase first? I think the answer would be Sonar and then hold off on Acid until I have some spare cash....the problem is that I'm continously using Sonar and becoming more and more familiar with those loop features, I might just reach the point where I say, "You know I can get by with the 80% looping capabilities of this program, I think I'll go buy some nice plugins instead of Acid".

Subject:RE: Where is Acid 6?

Reply by: gjn

Date:11/1/2004 10:44:47 AM

I am hard with the criticism.
And I was very hard for acid for 2 years. not stable.

But what do you make of the conviviality, the ergonomics?
It it him is more important.

If acid 5 is stable, he will be a part of the best existing solutions on the market.
I lived in Europe.
I know well cubase of steinberg, lives 4 of ableton, and reason of propellerheads.

Acid is the easiest product of use with reason.

Cubase makes all.it' s stable.butit is a gasworks.

Ableton is formidable.
But I do not manage at the good to use him.
I am in the habit of acid.

I also like végas.but it is not more integrated with acid.

I think of using nuendo with acid.dommage because vegas audio is very easy of use .but the audio evolution of végas is no more quality of nuendo. " See the audio engine ".