Subject:Remove Voice from songs

Posted by: INTENSE

Date:9/16/2004 8:29:44 AM

Has anyone tried to remove the voice from a song to create...well, intrumentals and or songs for people to sing over in their church or wherever?

Can it be done with Screenblast ACID 7.0?

Subject:RE: Remove Voice from songs

Reply by: Waskel

Date:9/16/2004 9:42:42 AM

(clue: about 2 inches up, 3 inches over. click on SEARCH.)

Wask.

Subject:RE: Remove Voice from songs

Reply by: DKeenum

Date:9/16/2004 10:27:46 AM

Alesis makes a product that they say can do this. Go buy one and tell us how it works. If it does we'll finally have something to recomend to people.

Subject:RE: Remove Voice from songs

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:9/16/2004 1:28:43 PM

Yes. I think Screenblast ACID 7.0 can do this. I just can't find it for sale anywhere (what year is it anyway?) ;-)

~jr

Subject:RE: Remove Voice from songs

Reply by: DKeenum

Date:9/16/2004 2:23:14 PM

OK! Here it is:
http://www.alesis.com/news/press/playmate_vocalist.html

No, I don't think it will work, but maybe it will make some of these people happy. So I guess I was only halfway sarcastic.

Subject:RE: Remove Voice from songs

Reply by: XeRo9009

Date:9/17/2004 4:14:03 AM

Actually, it's impossible. You can't remove certain parts from songs and keep the rest, because it's really all the instruments form into one huge track. Get what I mean?
You can, however, download Goldwave (google.com) and click "Cancel Vocals", then "Simple Cancellation"; but since it's one huge track it won't get rid of the vocals completely (it will sound all watery and messed up). Goldwave will also get rid of other instruments too, so I wouldn't recommend using it (plus the quality will fall 10x down).
If you are in Acid and all the parts are in seperate tracks, then just find the vocal track(s), right-click, delete. Simple.

Subject:RE: Remove Voice from songs

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:9/17/2004 5:08:11 AM

Just for the record: Sound Forge has this too. Just load the song into Sound Forge and use Process > Channel Converter > Stereo to Stereo – Vocal Cut (remove center material). This only works when the vocals are centered in the stereo mix and all other instruments are panned at least slightly left and right. This was a common mix back in the early days of stereo so it works better for older recordings.

AnalogX also has a Vocal Remover plugin that does the same thing. It’s free and works within ACID. The bottom line is, they all use phase cancellation to remove the center channel whether is has vocals or not so results will vary depending on the content.

~jr

Subject:RE: Remove Voice from songs

Reply by: DKeenum

Date:9/17/2004 5:18:35 AM

Is there a FAQ that we could refer people to? Telling them to search the forum doesn't seem to work.

Subject:RE: Remove Voice from songs

Reply by: doctorfish

Date:9/17/2004 10:40:55 AM

It's FAQ #6. No, this cannot be done. Can you unmix two paints after you
mix them together? Same concept.

Dave

Subject:RE: Remove Voice from songs

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:9/17/2004 12:35:50 PM

Actually the two cans of paint mixed together isn't quite an accurate analogy. When you mix different parts of the music together with the voices each is still there in the final mix. Your ear can easily detect each part individually since each part maintains it's identity. Therefore it isn't impossible to separate them; it's just extremely difficult. I would say a more appropriate analogy would be like mixing a truckload of white sand with a truckload of brown sand, and then separating them again. Yes, this can be done with a magnifying glass and a pair of tweezers. Would you want to do it? Probably not. Is it practical? Not at all. It would be cheaper, faster, and easier to simply order new truckloads of sand and keep them separate to begin with.

With music mixed together it is theoretically possible to analyze the waveforms and figure out which vectors came from which parts and recreate the parts without the other vectors added in. I'm sure this could be done now by a human sitting there with the file open in Sound Forge, and several supercomputers at hand as well to help in the analysis, and pick through sample by sample figuring out the component vectors of each part of the wave form. Would you want to do it? Probably not. Is it practical? Not at all, at least not yet anyway. It would be cheaper, faster, and easier to go find the original musicians and pay them to come into a recording studio and redo each part individually.

Subject:RE: Remove Voice from songs

Reply by: MikeDee

Date:9/17/2004 9:58:21 PM

The following was stripped from a message I posted a few months back:

I tried the Analog X Vocal Remover. It worked ok for some tracks...a real dog on others (removed *too* much from the center). But, hey, no complaints at their price. :)

For more serious work, I use CopyScat. (I think it's worth about $50 US.) It used to come with the "MegaPak" version of Band-in-a-Box. I beileve they have dropped this app from the bundle included with their latest BB release; therefore, it may be a bit harder to find. The author is James Chandler, Jr.; the distributor is (or, rather *was* [?]) PG Music, Inc., the makers of BB.

Otherwise (depending on the song), I simply look for portions of the tune not containing any vocals (intro/outro/breakbeats, etc.), then replace the original parts (containing the vocals) with these similar parts. Voilà! Instrumental track. One minor difference, however: I don't do this in Acid Pro; I do it in SAWStudioLite...much more efficient for me. (Sound Forge or Vegas can be used as well.)

Hope this helps,

Mike E. Dee

Subject:RE: Remove Voice from songs

Reply by: purejoy14

Date:12/15/2004 9:23:54 PM

question... once i download vocal remover how do i use it in acid?