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Subject:Acid Pro 5.0? Posted by: doddboy25 Date:8/22/2004 2:37:46 PM Anybody hear any news if a new Acid Pro is coming out or in the works?
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Iacobus Date:8/22/2004 6:01:23 PM It's definitely in the works as Peter and Joel have mentioned on here a few times. (mu...mu...muhahahaha...) Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: doddboy25 Date:8/23/2004 4:24:14 PM sweet I can't wait!
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: VMP Date:8/31/2004 9:32:47 AM maybe in 2008.....
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Iacobus Date:8/31/2004 10:45:21 AM Maybe not. (mu...mu...muhahahaha...) Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: VMP Date:8/31/2004 5:00:17 PM Maybe their just gonna skip Acid v.5 and jump to Acid v.6 ;-))
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Spirit Date:8/31/2004 5:34:37 PM And I was just thinking that it had been hours and hours since the last "Where's AcidPro5?" post !
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: MyST Date:8/31/2004 5:40:42 PM 2008... You got that from a sure source, or are you just producing wind from your exhaust port? Mario
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: VMP Date:8/31/2004 6:31:12 PM [[[ 2008... You got that from a sure source, or are you just producing wind from your exhaust port?]]] Was just a 'disappointed because of acid 5 not appearing yet' joke ;- )
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: MyST Date:8/31/2004 6:48:05 PM I know your's was a joke. Mine was just a joke reBUTTal. :-) Mario
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: VMP Date:8/31/2004 6:59:12 PM [[I know your's was a joke. Mine was just a joke reBUTTal. :-)]] Ok peace, Then M8! ;-)
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Spirit Date:9/2/2004 1:33:50 AM Ableton 3 comes. Ableton 4 comes. SX2 is released. Today Sonar 4 is released. Glaciers sprint across the ice. Mountain ranges form and are ground down. Oceans fill and empty. Deserts advance, retreat, and forests grow in their place. But still no AcidPro5
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: nikkeinomura Date:9/2/2004 4:12:08 AM Now I'm using Live 4 with m-audio Ozone... ...simply the best groovebox-style gear I've ever been workin with!!! Now that midi is on, I can control all, my external synths.... I'm going to love this fuckin great soft from Ableton... I have been using acid since the first version but Live is going to throw off it from the market. Even if Acid 5.0 would be released in a shorter time than the discusions in this forum let presume.... it has to front a very strong competitor
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: buckaroo Date:9/2/2004 4:40:21 AM I think your right nikkeinomura... Acid is way behind now... There's talk of SX3 with looping etc in the next week and Sonar 4 , plus others with looping like Samplitude 8 , not to mention Logic 7 WHERE IS ACID 5? SURELY IT SHOULD BE SOON....?
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Iacobus Date:9/2/2004 11:00:32 AM I have been using acid since the first version but Live is going to throw off it from the market. Yeah, I can see those multimedia producers just flocking to Live. :rolleyes Apples and oranges, my friend. Apples and oranges. Oh, I forgot... mu...mu...muhahahahaha... Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: JohnnyRoy Date:9/2/2004 11:44:50 AM > Even if Acid 5.0 would be released in a shorter time than the discusions in this forum let presume.... it has to front a very strong competitor A strong competitor in what area? For looped based composition? I don’t think so. For integration with Vegas and Sound Forge? I don’t think so. ACID is part of a suite (Vegas, ACID, & Sound Forge) that work very well together. ACID is not a multi-track DAW application. I don’t know why people keep comparing it to multi-track DAW applications. Sure Cubase, SONAR, and Ableton support Loops. So does Vegas which IS Sony’s multi-track DAW software. That doesn’t make Vegas as good as ACID for loop based composition either. Sony has release ACID Music Studio 5 so I’ve got to believe that ACID Pro 5 can’t be far behind. I have no illusions that it will be a multi-tracker. It probably will not. I do believe that it will still have the smoothest workflow for looped based composition bar none. You have to remember that Sony’s primary multi-track audio software is Vegas. And Vegas (3,4 & 5) has had very timely updates. It’s too bad Vegas doesn’t have MIDI support because, as Iacobus said, we’re really talking apples and oranges here when you compare ACID to a multi-tracker. If Sony added MIDI to Vegas it would compete nicely with Cubase, SONAR, or Albeton. I just don’t see comparing ACID to these apps. But I’ve said this before and many of you have told me I’m wrong before so… peace. ;-) ~jr
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: rome Date:9/2/2004 12:56:06 PM "ACID is not a multi-track DAW application." Sure it is. It's just not a multi track recorder. Live 4 is a strong rival to Acid in terms of loop based composition. Acid's ease of use keeps in on top for me but Live is no slouch.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: JohnnyRoy Date:9/2/2004 1:27:15 PM > Sure it is. It's just not a multi track recorder. Yea, that, and the ability to mix multiple files on a track. It's sort of a one track one wave file concept which is very different than other audio applications. ACID is a different paradigm than those other apps. ~jr
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: dabb Date:9/2/2004 1:52:56 PM K-v-R's web site is advertising Vegas in one of their ad banners. Seems like Sony is pushing Vegas not Acid. As far as I'm concerned there is no good reason for Sony to be taking so freaking long for a release that should of come out "years" ago! dabb
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Spirit Date:9/2/2004 2:30:38 PM mD - all that demonic laughter is making me nervous ( Aside: I wonder if that's part of Sony's pre-release campaign ? )
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Iacobus Date:9/2/2004 8:26:27 PM Don't get me wrong. I'm sure Live 4 is good—for musicians and the like—or else it would have faded awhile ago. Where Live needs to play catch up (if it ever does) is in the department of multimedia support. No video like MPEG or QuickTime (and now Flash in ACID Music Studio) as well as other formats such as MP3 and Windows Media (Video and Audio). It just isn't flexible enough. Then again, as I've said, I believe Live is aimed squarely at a different audience in the first place. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids
Subject:well, really... Reply by: waynegee Date:9/3/2004 10:53:25 AM ACID can't compete with SONAR, CUBASE SX, etc...it's way past that. It would take a complete overhaul: code, gui and a serious paradigm shift. And why: ACID does what it does great! Hopefuly they add features that just make that even better. But, hey...we will see. That being said, the Sonar 4 and Cubase 3 previews...whew! That shit is sick! (excuse my french.) Acid will never compete with these. But they will never equal what Acid does...so there.
Subject:RE: well, really... Reply by: kbruff Date:9/3/2004 2:21:17 PM ummm....what about this TRAKTION program? I have not turned on ACID since buying -- it works well especially with my NI KOMPLETE bundle !!! -- GUYS lets be honest here -- Sonic Foundry set s standard but now the competition is serious. Look at Reason ( 1 day learning curve), with impecable features, WAVELAB 5.0 is a killer, CDA for $269.00 when NERO 5.5. is free from many CDRW manufacturers is a complete joke. I love the Sony Sonic Foundry family, but it just seems that the grip is really loose right now.
Subject:Repeat after me: Sony Pictures Digital... Reply by: Iacobus Date:9/3/2004 9:30:55 PM Not to be a stickler for detail or anything, but Sonic Foundry no longer has ownership of the line of apps. The line belongs to Sony Pictures Digital now. (The respective teams that worked on the apps at SoFo remain though—and that's a good thing.) Let's see...Traktion...nope...no multimedia support there...I'll pass. (mu... mu... muhahahahaha...) Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: nikkeinomura Date:9/4/2004 5:38:06 AM IMHO Live 4 is strong competitor of Acid only among pro musicians and bedroom musiscians... ...I don't know the multimedia market and the role played by Acid, but I know musiscians' expectations about software like Acid and Live. Ableton is taking extreme care of the customers' satisfaction, developing quite every must-have-feature according with musiscians' requests. Sony desn't consider in such way the same requests from Acid users. RESPECT
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Iacobus Date:9/4/2004 11:47:25 AM "...I don't know the multimedia market and the role played by Acid, but I know musicians' expectations about software like Acid and Live." Well, there you go. You do know ACID is used for other purposes than just music? It's used for sound beds and scoring as well. Flash developers use it a lot as do other multimedia producers due to ACID's ease of use and its ability to work with video. "Ableton is taking extreme care of the customers' satisfaction, developing quite every must-have-feature according with musiscians' requests. Sony desn't consider in such way the same requests from Acid users." You so sure? Because of people like me, 64th note grid resolution went initially missing from ACID Pro 4.0. So I know for a fact they listen. Maybe it's because I'm cordially polite instead of demanding that I'm entitled to such a feature. And what about the multimedia community? Is Ableton listening to them? Apparently not, judging from Live 4's feature list. I was actually expecting them to add multimedia features, but I must have overestimated their ability. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: forlornsoul Date:9/4/2004 8:06:06 PM Wouldn't you use Vegas for multimedia as well or instead of Acid? Can it be used for this? Not that I am interested in Vegas. I still use Acid 4.0f when the time arises/is needed but currently I went and got Ableton Live 4.0 because I am working with music, not video, not multimedia. Acid intrigued me a couple years ago. It hasn't been doing that for me lately and with this long wait for V5.0 it is waning seriously by the wayside. If they can do what Live can do when 5.0 comes out with respect to MIDI/loops I may take a look at it. Until then I am on the sidelines on it. A friend has been using Ableton since 1.0 and has been asking me if I was going to get it. I saw the newer version(s) and it piqued my interested to the point of seeing him get around in it to go and purchase it. Enough said. Mike
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Chienworks Date:9/5/2004 3:05:56 PM Mike, just curious, but what can Live do with MIDI/loops that ACID can't do? What about Live is so much better?
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: DKeenum Date:9/5/2004 4:22:17 PM I also would like to know specific information about live's midi loops. Please decribe specificly.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: doddboy25 Date:9/5/2004 5:17:00 PM Well I find it funny that the whole reason all these new programs are so great IS because they copied off of Acid Pro.... lets not forget this... Acid will always be the creator of all these new programs coming out... they looked up to and liked Acid Pro so much they decided to rip off and even use acidized format wave files... I wonder if they had to buy the rights to use Acid format... I am sure they did...and I am sure Sony is going to use that money into the the next version..these new 2004 programs that are just coming out are finally doing what Acid has been doing so easily for years... I will never give up on Acid...hands down it is the easiest program to use on the planet... I am sure if they made a Mac format too...that the pros would use it even more so than Soundtrack...focus on the music making instead of the manuals and new features that you don't really need... I would just be fine with them making it cooler looking on the monitor...updating it for the eyes...more visually...
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Spirit Date:9/5/2004 6:53:02 PM Well, I'm primarily a multimedia developer and although I adore Acid it's not very useful at integrating with Flash (my primary medium). The ability of Vegas to play swf files make that app far more useful (although it only plays up to version 5 which is sad). I usually have to render out of Acid and drop into Vegas for multimedia work. The ability to play a single video track is not terribly useful. As a multimedia app Acid is quite weak imho. Live is worse of course, but as defence of Acid the "multimedia" argument is not too strong imho.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: nikkeinomura Date:9/6/2004 2:28:03 AM I don't know Ableton's marketing plans about multimedia developers, but I can recognize that Live (till now) has a great potential in music production or better in live performing. It's a soft originally developed for those musiscians who wish to play live "with the studio".... the GUI, the controls, etc are truly instrument-like. And what about the multimedia community? Is Ableton listening to them? Apparently not, judging from Live 4's feature list. I was actually expecting them to add multimedia features, but I must have overestimated their ability. probably we're facing a problem similar to the "musicians-VS-Acid-feature-wishlist" one: - Live 4 has "state of tha art" musical features but is lackin in multimedia tools - Acid is "good" for both but not excelling in musical production features Ableton in this moment has choosen to give maximum satisfaction only to musiscians. In my opinion Sony should choose wich is the best market to be focused to... being "good" is no more enought.... IMHO it would be better for both, musicians and multimedia developers, if the company will be focused on a single market. RESPECT
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: doddboy25 Date:9/6/2004 6:27:21 AM it would be pointless to put multimedia in it if Vegas 5 is out... that would just take money away from Vegas and there would be no reason to purchase it... it's like Final Cut Pro.... they made Soundtrack separate at a nice price if you only wanted to use the audio and midi of it, if you didn't want to spend 1,000 for the whole thing... same thing with Logic Express...very smart move... Acid is a looping software... I like it simple and easy... I don't want all the extra busy crap that all the others have... thats why people like it...look at all the crap thats on Sonars tracks... gives me a headache looking at it... if you want video than get Vegas...if you want to do music, and not have to read a novel for a manual to crank out awesome music... than get Acid and Sound Forge... pure and simple... Peace
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: waynegee Date:9/6/2004 10:23:13 AM I gotta funny feelin' ACID 5 is gonna keel 'em........
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: doddboy25 Date:9/6/2004 10:26:53 AM so do I....I think 4.0 still kills them..
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Iacobus Date:9/6/2004 12:58:12 PM ACID is a compliment to other apps in the line, just as Vegas and Sound Forge compliment ACID. While it's true ACID can only work with one video track per project at a time, it definitely does come in handy when you need a video track to reference with. Note also that I wasn't referring to ACID as a powerful video editor per se; only using ACID's powerful abilities itself to score a video whether it's music or a sound bed. (ACID's ability to adjust tempo based on a hit marker, for example.) Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Flash import in ACID Pro 5.0, since ACID Music Studio 5.0 now has that feature. I'm quite happy that there are those of you who are able to glean what you need from Live. But you're still overlooking the fact that ACID (Pro in particular) means different things to different people. You may think that Live is ACID's competition but you need to look closer. ACID is not just for music. shrug And Spirit: Fear my laugh. mu...mu...muhahahahaha... Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Spirit Date:9/6/2004 8:36:21 PM Didn't realise Acidlite had swf import. Hope it gets as high as version 6 import in AP5 - that would be wonderful ! Now then mD, make yourself comfortable on this couch, close your eyes, and start at the beginning: When did you first become aware of this compulsion for evil chuckles ?
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Iacobus Date:9/7/2004 10:00:26 AM Hmm...I noticed that Screenblast Movie Studio (now, I assume, succeeded by Vegas Movie Studio+DVD) has the ability to export to Flash 6, but Vegas can only import it as long as no compressed movies (which is a feature of Flash 6) are involved. Where to begin...it all began when I was a little boy in Holbrook, Massachusetts...where I probably got my evil superpowers from Baird & McGuire... Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: VMP Date:10/1/2004 5:01:57 PM Acid 5 come out, come out where ever you aeeere. Just letting know that there is a fan out here.....waiting.......waiting...and waiting.............................................till Acid 5 Pro comes out.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: midihead Date:10/2/2004 1:29:20 AM It would be nice to get a sneak peak at what Sony is planning on doing with Acid for the next release. I've been using Acid since its release but version 4 really killed it for me. I still use it, but I have to do my sequencing in Sonar (for now until I can find an app that feels better for midi). None of my midi syncs up properly...not with my VSTi's, not with my external gear...nada. It kicks ass for on-the-fly audio slicing and looping, but that's just not enough anymore…not with all the other "all-in-one" options out there now. I'm one of those guys that has literally 50+ tracks going at once. I push Acid to the envelope, and I don't ask for much. I think the current set of features is PERFECT for my needs...I just wish they would work. VST and MIDI stability just blow. Not to mention that it crashes more frequently than any program I've operated on XP. It's NOT my system…been over that a bazillion times. I get the same complaints from every single person I know who uses it. I'd just like to see Acid be a stable app. It doesn't need more or less features than it currently has. Just make the current set STABLE. That's ALL I ask. It sucks to have to use even 2 different apps to create music. It slows down your work flow. Some of you may think that Acid should just be a tool for loops and hobbyists...I love it's simplicity and have created many remixes and tracks that have landed in The Matrix Reloaded, Las Vegas, Access Hollywood, and even Konami's DDR. These tracks were done almost exclusively in Acid 4. Sadly the midi and VSTi's had to be done in Sonar, then the audio exported into Acid where I could dice it up and lay it out. I'd just like to never have to leave the app. -Midihead
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: VMP Date:10/2/2004 5:03:37 AM Yep..Sure thing.. bro.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Undesirable Date:10/3/2004 2:54:43 PM Anyone know if it will have high quality / anti-aliased pitch preservation? How about variable beatmapping?
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Spirit Date:10/3/2004 7:45:04 PM Si, you have plethora of pinatas
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: H2000 Date:10/4/2004 9:17:15 AM I'm glad to hear it's not just me! Personally, I don't even really need v5, I just need to have a v4 that is bug free and stable, which it is not. I've still been using it, but having to restart for crashes and working around known repeatable MIDI bugs which I have mentioned has become the accepted norm. Unfortunately, when I spoke to the people at the SONY booth at NAMM earlier this year to discuss them, I was rudely brushed off and told that there would be no updates to ACID4. So basically I bought something that's not completed, and soon I will be paying more money to get something that (hopefully) works! It's too bad they were not willing to follow through on 4.0. I hope 5.0 is like Vegas5.0 - much more stable!
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: gjn Date:10/4/2004 12:16:12 PM that's all. bravo
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: midihead Date:10/4/2004 2:12:03 PM I think that most of the people who haven't had anything to complain about with Acid are the usual Acid militants. My definition of this is someone who is so devout to a product or idea that they accept or deny it's faults and publicly defend ANY complaints against it. I think that if anyone were to really use Acid seriously they would most definitely agree with me that Acid 4 still contains many bugs. I too spoke with a Sony rep at NAMM but my response was quite different. I was told that Sony had plans to do a version 5 in late '04 and was begged to not "give up on Acid". So, I wait. Let's just get it right this time, guys! Make us proud! -Midihead
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Spirit Date:10/4/2004 2:16:29 PM I deleted AP4 a long time ago and am still happily using AP3g.... and Vegas5. I'm hopeful enough that AP5 will be a killer so I've resisted investing the time & money to change. Acid is too good to relegate.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Iacobus Date:10/4/2004 8:07:41 PM I think that most of the people who haven't had anything to complain about with Acid are the usual Acid militants. My definition of this is someone who is so devout to a product or idea that they accept or deny it's faults and publicly defend ANY complaints against it. I think that if anyone were to really use Acid seriously they would most definitely agree with me that Acid 4 still contains many bugs. midihead, I don't mean to dig or anything, but that comment was...how shall I say it...elitist? Presuming that because those that defend ACID don't "really use ACID seriously" is a little snooty. Just because it's crashing on you doesn't mean everyone else is having the same problem doing the same thing. No software title is perfect, just like the men that make it.shrug The reason why I come here is to help others with their problems with ACID or just have questions about the app. If you have a problem, say so, but don't just sit there complaining that ACID crashes so much for you. Explain your problem in detail and others might be able to help you out. We can't read your mind. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: ZAZKUASH Date:10/5/2004 7:53:43 PM Im going to useAcid a lot again until it have Rewire function in Slave Mode
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: knowbody Date:10/7/2004 9:17:10 PM Joining in late here and have only skimmed the thread. I wonder if Acid 5 will allow users to record over earlier takes? When recording if I name a take with the same name as an existing file Acid 4 complains. It could warn me that I am going to change an existing file but it should allow me to do so. Worse, Acid 4 crashes after displaying the warning message. I hope Acid 5.0 is more stable. Chris (Hunt)
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Spirit Date:10/7/2004 9:23:49 PM Stability will surely be top of the list for AP5. AP4 was incredibly buggy and badly damaged Acid's reputation. I don't think the application would survive another bug-ridden release. Hopefully the performance of Vegas5 is a pointer to AP5 quality.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: gjn Date:10/8/2004 1:12:03 PM mister MD.... You are not in the reality sorry
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: Iacobus Date:10/11/2004 7:43:29 PM rolleyes Cry me a river. (BTW, since the rest of the newer versions of Sony's apps (Sound Forge 7.0, Vegas 5.0, and the Studio series) all are XP/2000 only, it's probably safe to say that ACID Pro 5.0 will be as well. That's a definitely a good step in the performance direction.) Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: PixelStuff Date:10/12/2004 2:27:09 AM I wonder how easy it will be to port these over to the 64 bit versions when that OS is released. JBJones
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: midihead Date:10/13/2004 10:01:08 PM mD said: "If you have a problem, say so, but don't just sit there complaining that ACID crashes so much for you. Explain your problem in detail and others might be able to help you out. We can't read your mind." mD, been here a bazillion times and explained my problems in great detail. All I've gotten is "Acid doesn't crash, what are you talking about!" from the Acid Nazis...sound familiar anyone? I've been on the phone with tech support many a time, to no avail. Been through 4 different systems and configurations and it's amazing how Acid 4 behaves the EXACT same on all of 'em. You say I'm coming off "snotty" for having made a comment about what I call the "Acid Militants" (I've upgraded this to Acid Nazis) and It appears that this struck a nerve in you for some reason ;) I don't see how this makes me come off as an "elitist" as you said. No matter, I don't appear to be the only one complaining about V4...so there has to be some credibility to what I say...don't you think? I guess we're all a bunch of snots in your mind. I love Acid, when it's working...which is about 40 percent of the time.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: dbOS://00 Date:10/13/2004 11:34:09 PM just because I can get acid to function properly, doesnt make me a nazi, I'm not militant about ACID either. My delta works wonderfully with ACID 4, m-audio sound cards don't like some chipsets, specifically VIA chipsets, no specific chipset, all of them. I learned that the hard way, some sis chipsets too. Intel throughout. Have you disabled services, in hopes of a more streamlined OS? I tried that once, and all it did was give me errors, and bog down the machine. My last xp install has remained intact for the last 2 years, I run normal startup absolutely no problems. there are some limitations, but I don't own a DSP card yet. ACID does crash, its implementation of midi leaves something to be desired, but I don't use ACID for midi unless I have to. the only time it miss behaves is when implementing midi. Albert Hofmann was from switzerland, computers have limits, even mac's. I watched a brand new G5 hang up while loading a .pdf, it was rather odd. and then I laughed at the crash proof unix based os, that crashed on me I was on itunes today, and I was listening to a webcast that was nothing but drones, 10-15minute drones, it was really strange, Ohm music maybe...
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: midihead Date:10/14/2004 7:51:19 PM "just because I can get acid to function properly, doesnt make me a nazi, I'm not militant about ACID either." I'm directing the "Acid Nazi" comment to those who get upset when people complain about Acid in any shape or form. I don't recall ever pointing my finger at any single person(s)...but if you feel guilty about something... BTW, your statement conflicts with the rest of your comments. You said that you can get Acid to "function properly" but then you say that you "don't use Acid for midi unless you have to" and then you admit that it "miss behaves when implimenting midi". So, essentially you have admitted that I am right. Acid is very stable when using it for loops only. Therefore, if you're only using Acid for it's loop functionality then don't bother to take a stab at those of us having problems using all of Acid's features. This message isn't directed at you, but everyone. Some of us actually use the features that were advertised to work, such as midi and VSTi support. My point is that Acid crashes when using VSTi's or midi sync. I don't have a VIA chipset, nor an Athlon. I've got an ASUS moboard now with a P4. I've been through 4 different sound cards and 3 different midi interfaces in addition to the many different systems. I've done EVERYTHING one can possibly do...READ MY CURSOR...IT'S ACID! Not user error, config issues, drivers, gear, or whatever else you want to throw out there as a possible issue. Use Acid's entire feature set and you will finally feel our pain, for crying out loud.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: H2000 Date:10/14/2004 9:21:18 PM " the only time it miss behaves is when implementing midi." Yes, this is the problem isn't it? After 3 great versions of non-midi ACID, I wouldn't expect the non-midi functions to misbehave! That's great that you don't use the MIDI much. But for those of us who are happy with the MIDI that was designed, but unhappy with the fact that it's bug ridden, we will have to buy the new version to get rid of the bugs. Get that: the version WE PAID FOR has known MIDI bugs that will NEVER be fixed (according to SONY) until the next version. We really never got what we paid for. That's what pisses me off.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: dbOS://00 Date:10/15/2004 11:07:31 AM I don't get upset when people complain, I get upset when people start pointing fingers at the crowd and start calling them names. I consider ACID to be functioning properly, when it does what I ask of it. I understand that ACID has limitations, typically I work around those limitations. Perhaps my expectations of midi implementation in ACID were lower than your's. I'm sorry, but its hard to expect much from an atempt, late in the game, to maintain viability in a market that doubles its own potential every 18 months. Entire feature set, yeah, midi still leaves something to be desired. when I program and render midi, everything runs fine. Have you ever tried to run ACID on a celeron processor, serious limitations, you have to do everything one at a time, its a slow and tedious process. I have a P4 now, and maybe I still use that logic that I developed wih the lesser processor. It could be that I don't push my computer nearly as hard as you. Maybe you expect the program to be good at something that it isn't good at. I understand that ACID causes you frustration, it has for me at times, but maybe a different solution for you is in order. Buyers remourse is a bitch...I came to terms with the last update a long time ago. A lot of users have. Have you ever posted about something that ACID did for you that worked? last night, I made a sound bed, it sounded alright, a little bass heavy, but I'll fix that later.
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: H2000 Date:10/15/2004 11:24:41 AM You have completely and utterly misunderstood my post. Perhaps you should re-read it. I am completely satisfied with the MIDI in ACID. The feature set is completely acceptable to me. I have no buyer's remorse. What I have is a beef with a company that puts out a product with known bugs and refuses to clean them up. Ever. Until the next purchasable version. I only want the version that I paid for to have all the bugs cleaned out. After speaking to SONY reps at NAMM in January, they made it patently clear that they were not interested in doing anything about any bugs in version 4. Version 4f is all there will ever be until version 5. Now I don't know anything about any name calling. I'm sure I did none of that. But, if you cannot understand that I (and others) have a legitimate complaint, then there is really no sense to continue. I use ACID every day as my main composition tool. I rarely use prefab loops - I record all my own stuff. I know all the bugs I constantly run accross, and simply work around them or close the program and restart it. Is it usable? Yes, I use it every day. Could it still stand some more cleanup in the code? Undoubtably yes!
Subject:RE: Acid Pro 5.0? Reply by: dbOS://00 Date:10/15/2004 1:11:29 PM Mr H2000, that was a wonderful clarification of your previous post, you are fine with midi in ACID, as am I, I accept those limitations and get on with the real task at hand, which is creating something interesting, as I assume you do. I guess I am content to work with what I have until a better solution is made available, I'd like to not have to switch programs at this point. Or, the issues that I have with ACID don't really affect me in the grand sense. But your claim is rational, you paid for software, and you feel that it could have been written better, and you'd like an update. fine... I want a re-write of the program. Which should take a while. It seams tht ACID users have different expectations of what the program is capable of, and therefore different experiences with that program. Perhaps I have been fortunate enough not to have experienced the issues that you or anyone else has experienced. Aloha

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