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Subject:acoustic guitar loops Posted by: blueangel Date:8/23/2004 11:17:30 AM I have acid 4.0 and can do OK on the drum loops but I am new to it. I am having a problem getting strummed guitar parts to work. I play guitar and can just play the rythym live but some of these acoustic guitar loops sound real good, are quieter and in perfect pitch. To get minor chords I have to pull a section from the loop that has a minor chord in it, then pitch shift it and sometimes that gets it in the wrong octave with the rest of the loop. Are these rythym guitar loops and even bass guitar loops made to build a song from instead of having the song and trying to make the loop fit? I use a drum machine now but it is limited. Still, I can program a rythym track in less than an hour on it and go on with the rest of the song. If I could use loops on drums and rythym guitar, the track would be of better quality than a drum machine. But if it takes several hours to make the track it would not be worth it. If someone can help me a little bit here, I would appreciate it. Thanks.
Subject:RE: acoustic guitar loops Reply by: Iacobus Date:8/25/2004 11:39:56 AM Hmm. When I create a project, I would create any custom loops based on the project at hand rather than trying to get loops created for other projects to fit. (I essentially create loops on a project-by-project basis.) For example, if my project's key is B, I'll usually record and ACIDize any custom material in that key. When I do another project in another key, I'll just record any material I need for that project as well. This, of course, takes longer, but it's worth it as you won't come across any surprises later on. ACID is really good at stretching, but is not a magic salve for certain material in every situation. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids
Subject:RE: acoustic guitar loops Reply by: Jessariah Date:8/26/2004 6:41:15 PM Pitch shifting guitar (especially acoustic) is DEATH. You can speed it up with mixed results, but you need to knock the stretching properties from 16th note forced divisions to 8th note (if it already hasn't been done). If you want a "library" to pull from, it doesn't exist. The key to these instruments is to have the same performances in various keys, thus allowing you to "create" your progressions. We're currently working on an electric guitar version of this, and will probably follow with an acoustic version. It is A LOT of work, and it still is limited by tempo. Iacobus has the ticket -- create for the song. It will seem to take more time, but I can almost guarantee you that if you go looking through all existing guitar libraries for the right loop in the right key at the right tempo, you will never find it.

Subject:acoustic guitar loops

Posted by: blueangel

Date:8/23/2004 11:17:30 AM

I have acid 4.0 and can do OK on the drum loops but I am new to it. I am having a problem getting strummed guitar parts to work. I play guitar and can just play the rythym live but some of these acoustic guitar loops sound real good, are quieter and in perfect pitch. To get minor chords I have to pull a section from the loop that has a minor chord in it, then pitch shift it and sometimes that gets it in the wrong octave with the rest of the loop. Are these rythym guitar loops and even bass guitar loops made to build a song from instead of having the song and trying to make the loop fit? I use a drum machine now but it is limited. Still, I can program a rythym track in less than an hour on it and go on with the rest of the song. If I could use loops on drums and rythym guitar, the track would be of better quality than a drum machine. But if it takes several hours to make the track it would not be worth it. If someone can help me a little bit here, I would appreciate it. Thanks.

Subject:RE: acoustic guitar loops

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:8/25/2004 11:39:56 AM

Hmm. When I create a project, I would create any custom loops based on the project at hand rather than trying to get loops created for other projects to fit. (I essentially create loops on a project-by-project basis.)

For example, if my project's key is B, I'll usually record and ACIDize any custom material in that key. When I do another project in another key, I'll just record any material I need for that project as well. This, of course, takes longer, but it's worth it as you won't come across any surprises later on.

ACID is really good at stretching, but is not a magic salve for certain material in every situation.

Iacobus
-------
RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid
mD's ACIDplanet Page
Guitars 4 Kids

Subject:RE: acoustic guitar loops

Reply by: Jessariah

Date:8/26/2004 6:41:15 PM

Pitch shifting guitar (especially acoustic) is DEATH. You can speed it up with mixed results, but you need to knock the stretching properties from 16th note forced divisions to 8th note (if it already hasn't been done).

If you want a "library" to pull from, it doesn't exist. The key to these instruments is to have the same performances in various keys, thus allowing you to "create" your progressions. We're currently working on an electric guitar version of this, and will probably follow with an acoustic version. It is A LOT of work, and it still is limited by tempo.

Iacobus has the ticket -- create for the song. It will seem to take more time, but I can almost guarantee you that if you go looking through all existing guitar libraries for the right loop in the right key at the right tempo, you will never find it.