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Subject:XP SP2 Posted by: piotrk Date:8/19/2004 12:23:29 PM At this point I would like to invite your comments if you have downloaded SP2 and if there have been any issues with relation to Acid following the install.
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: planders Date:8/19/2004 1:26:40 PM No issues with ACID or any other programs I use. That includes all Sony apps, several Adobe ones, and lots of other stuff. SP2 is now on all of my computers and I see no reason to remove it. The only problem I ran into was that (on my laptop) the screen wouldn't turn back on after being in standby mode; reinstalling the video drivers solved that problem.
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: rome Date:8/19/2004 2:48:22 PM No problems for me either. I immediately turned off the firewall as I use Zone Alarm.
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Iacobus Date:8/19/2004 6:57:09 PM Apparently, Automatic Update is taking forever to download it for me. I already have the updated version of Windows Update; now I'm waiting for SP2. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: planders Date:8/19/2004 7:53:10 PM MS hasn't started sending it out by Automatic Update yet, but you can get it as an administrator download at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=049C9DBE-3B8E-4F30-8245-9E368D3CDB5A&displaylang=en It's big, but much better if you've got multiple PCs to update.
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Djipy Date:8/19/2004 11:40:43 PM Be careful with XP SP2. Microsoft has increased the security features and a lot of applications are likely not to run anymore or may give unpredictable results. I'm working in a big company and the network team has decided not to update the workstations now : a team will be busy with tests before. In the worst case, they plan to "fix" the applications themselves, in order to make them compatible with XP SP2, if problems are detected during the tests. So, if you don't have any issue with the current XP, don't run any update.
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Vocalpoint Date:8/20/2004 5:34:53 AM Window XP SP2 brings absolutely nothing to the table for the DAW user. If you do some research on what SP2 was originally conceived as (a standard bug fix pack with some basic performance enhancements etc) vs what it became (an all-about-face for MS after the world's hackers pounded the crap out of this OS and exposed the very inexperienced Joe User crowd to all sorts of worms and security related maladies), you will soon realize that SP2 really just a new battle-hardened armor plating designed to protect Mom and Pop from all the badness when they plug their new computer directly into the wall and hang their shingle out loud and clear to port scanners and worms everywhere. For the DAW user - I am after one thing - performance. And SP2 brings nothing new performance wise that I can see or "feel" when using my standard battery of audio apps. If anything - it's a newfound annoyance of brightly colored "shields" that won;t go away...network connections suddenly being sealed off...updates happening when I don't want them to...warnings about this and that....and the list goes on. Nowhere have I been able to find out just what this service pack "fixes" from previous versions nor can I get the straight scoop on any increased performance. I have a hardware firewall...I have great Antivirus scanning...I don't want Automatic updates and warnings...anmd finally - if you are even running your DAW on a box that needs a firewall running in the background...plus all the other bloat that XP SP2 brings to the table - you will most likely see issues down the road. (if you haven't already) A well tuned SP1 machine is fine by me. Cuzin B
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: rome Date:8/20/2004 7:56:22 AM SP2 is neceesary for the security updates alone and I'm not talking about Windows firewall. If your PC is connected to the internet, even with a hardware firewall, SP2 is basically a must.
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Vocalpoint Date:8/20/2004 8:15:36 AM Metronome, All I can say is that if your DAW "needs" security updates - you really need to rethink your setup. I mean it's a DAW right? What is installled on there that needs a security update? Vegas? Acid? Only the truly inexperienced would have ANY Internet connectivity on the DAW - much less be plugging a computer directly into the Internet without a hardware firewall in place. if you are one of these - then knock yourself out with SP2. This service pack really does nothing for users that have a secure network with pro level security apps installed and the appropriate firewall hardware to begin with. Cuzin B
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: rome Date:8/20/2004 8:33:39 AM "Only the truly experienced or people with a single pc would have ANY Internet connectivity on the DAW." There I've corrected you. That being said I only compose on my home PC (that's connected to the internet with a hardware and software firewall) anything further than that I rent a recording studio. You're uninformed if you think a hardware firewall (or software firewall) is complete protection. Antivirus and Spyware removal tools only come into play after your computer has been infected.
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Vocalpoint Date:8/20/2004 10:03:50 AM "Only the truly inexperienced people would own a single pc in the year 2004 and expose that PC to the Internet and count on an overblown bloated Microsoft service pack to protect them" There I've corrected you. If you are at all serious about recording (and for security!) - you keep your DAW machine clean and do your surfing and downloading on another box. You can't honestly tell me that you are a recording fanatic that purchased Acid Pro 4.0 AND you bought your very first computer ever in 2004? "You're uninformed if you think a hardware firewall (or software firewall) is complete protection. Antivirus and Spyware removal tools only come into play after your computer has been infected." Oh - I am totally informed, pal. Informed enough to guarantee that my DAW has no Internet connectivity at all. Informed enough to know that my LAN has been completely impervious to any and all attacks, worms, viruses, spyware etc since it was put in 5 years ago. Informed enough to know that morons who actually gets these worms and hacks and spyware simply have no clue what they are doing and frankly could care less until a nasty problem cooks their machine. Finally - I fail to see the point in tearing down a perfectly good working machine just because Microsoft decides to announce how safe SP2 will make my world. All this SP2 announcement says to me is that the OS was a piece of insecure crap in the first place. All I am stating is for those of us with a secure network and a studio grade install - SP2 simply not worth the time to install and reconfigure. It truly does replace almost your whole OS with new files and will take several hours to tune and tweak. I cannot see a "security update" having any benefit to your enjoyment of Acid 4.0 either (not sure if there are any issues running Acid 4.0 on it tho) - which was the real point of this thread. Cuzin B
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: rome Date:8/20/2004 12:03:10 PM I don't know why you think I'm a recording fanatic or that this is my first computer or only computer but that's neither here nor there. Sure, totally security implies no internet connectiveity and no physical access to a computer. This may be your preference but it's not a solution for everybody. This fact doesn't necessarily make anyone "clueless" or a "moron." You have a right to your opinions of Microsoft but the fact is if you use Windows and are connected to the internet it's worthwhile to install SP2. Maybe you thought I was saying something else...?
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Vocalpoint Date:8/20/2004 12:46:21 PM "I don't know why you think I'm a recording fanatic" Well - you found this cool forum, didn't you? You record don;t you? You seem to enjoy it, right? Okay maybe fanatic was a big strong. Let's say "fan" then. :) "This may be your preference but it's not a solution for everybody." Never said it was for everybody - I said it was a solution for me. "This fact doesn't necessarily make anyone "clueless" or a "moron." " Let me be clear - Only a moron would risk themselves in August 2004 by plugging their machine into the Internet WITHOUT a hardware firewall solution all the while hoping (or assuming) that nothing bad will happen to them. This service pack does not change that fact. The new "firewall" component is a joke. "You have a right to your opinions of Microsoft but the fact is if you use Windows and are connected to the internet it's worthwhile to install SP2." Yes...I do have a right to my opinion and so do you but your blanket statement that every Windows XP user connected to the Internet is a worthwhile candidate for SP2 is totally misleading. I am a Windows user that connects to the Internet and I have decided it's not worthwhile....not worth my configuration time and not worth finding out that something doesn't work like it used to. SP1 works just as good as it did yesterday. Why exactly do you think it is worthwhile? For the security update bloat that it piles on? For the RAM it wastes? Just cause Microsoft says you should update? Why would any semi-intellegent person (especially in the recording arena) want to be bothered by all this crap? I'd rather be recording - not screwing around with service packs all the time. Cuzin B PS - Update - just got an email from Microsoft - the first HotFix patch for SP2 is already available..happy patching
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Rednroll Date:8/20/2004 3:35:52 PM "Let me be clear - Only a moron would risk themselves in August 2004 by plugging their machine into the Internet WITHOUT a hardware firewall solution" You can count me in on the moron list. My DAW is connected to the internet. I haven't had any problems which I couldn't fix thus far, in the last 7 years using a DAW connected to the internet. My machine has never started smoking due to a virus. My programs are installed on one hard drive, my audio goes on another HD, and my OS is on yet a third hard drive, and all my audio projects when I'm finished with a session gets backed up to DVDrom or CDrom, and also a temporary storage HD. Haven't found a Virus yet, that will burn to a DVDr and wipe out the data on it. If I notice things are acting a bit strange, it's really not a problem to reformat the hard drive that my OS sits on and reinstall my hardware drivers. Oh, I also burn CDs and DVDs, and surf the net by coming to these forums and answering posts. From the sounds of it, I'm really living on the edge.......or maybe I just like to make my life easy by being able to download updates for all my software more easily and complete an online registration process, without having to download to one PC, burn it to a CDrom, carry that CDrom to my DAW, copy it to that hard drive, and then install it and run the registration transfer process. If I did that for every update for the Sony apps I have, I'ld have a stack of CD coasters from here to the moon. Besides, who's to say when I transfered those files from the PC connected to the internet, to the DAW not connected to the internet, that the virus didn't get transfered also? Also before I was married I had unprotected sex with complete strangers I've met in bars in the U.S. and third world countries and I can't reformat that hard drive. :-) I guess, what I'm trying to say is if I lived my life looking over my shoulder every 5 minutes, there would be those other 4 minutes where I wasn't looking that something bad could happen, which means I would then have to increase my odds of safety by checking over my shoulder every second of everyday, and that just wouldn't be any fun now would it? Living on the edge, red
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Vocalpoint Date:8/20/2004 4:40:42 PM Red, I was really referring to those who usually start of with something like: "One minute I was importing a loop...then I decided to pop out to Kaaza or EDonkey to retrieve some illegal copywrighted music and software. Double clicked on what I thought was the new Justin Timberlake single and suddenly my hard drive started deleting itself. Is this a bug in Acid?" You get the picture. Hey - if you can fix your issues by reformatting and reinstall all your drivers...knock yourself out. If I could steer back to the thread - are going for SP2 with the pretty colorful shields etc etc? Cuzin B
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Rednroll Date:8/20/2004 5:16:00 PM Well, I guess I was interested in reading this post to see if other users had any conflicts with the new SP2 update before I went ahead and install it when it becomes available as a regular windows update option. And yes, I'm interested in it, if alls it does is increase security. Call me silly too because I have my own conspiracy theory. I think the companies selling these firewall hardware and software are creating a lot of these viruses. Afterall they do have a vested interest in selling their products don't they? For example, I know I've had a few spyware programs installed on my PC from surfing the internet. When all of a sudden, I have pop up advertisements coming up all over the place.....and then all of a sudden I have a pop up advertisement inbetween them all come up on my screen that says, "tired of annoying pop-ups cluttering your screen? and you could have spyware on your PC, then buy our pop up blocker spyware remover software and all your problems will be solved." Ok, I'm an idiot, I'll buy your pop-up software to get rid of the pop-ups you put onto my PC and then next year I'll buy the anti-virus software update, so I can remove the viruses your pop-up blocker software put on my PC. Or maybe, I'll just download the FREE Windows SP2 update that has no vested interest. I mean who's really writing all these viruses. Ok, there's a few PC geeks, with malicious tendencies, but these types usually find glory in knowing they took out some high government agency or business, not some everyday Joe surfing the internet, who they will never get the satisfaction of knowing they ruined their PC. Maybe some fuel for thought, the next time you go out and buy one of these hardware firewall devices and third party firewall/anti-virus softwares.
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Cquence777 Date:8/20/2004 5:29:56 PM Hello all, After reading everything, let me mediate here. What has happened is that a "blanket comment" which was based strictly on opinion, was taken to heart as the "possible gospel" by some others. If you stop and think for a moment, in any forum enviornment such as this, you're gonna have opinion which is "put out there on the table" without a disclaimer.....meaning, most of the time nobody writes a post and says "man I may be wrong....hope I'm not wrong guys....hey everyone this might work , etc, etc, etc"......what usually happens is, somebody just throws out a comment and there it is. It's up to everyone else to cipher it for what it is. Sorry Metronome, but it was an opinion. Anyway, sorry for playing psycho-analyst! lol Actually though, if you take your audio serious (now I know that will spark some flaming), you should run a DAW box solely for DAW. I have a totally different setup for internet and play. Which by the way, runs a Sygate firewall and by no means would I ever trust XP's firewall....it's ridiculous. What MS has done with SP2 is try to increase their whole security to meet that of other "leading software" in that class. And still they are behind. Now, can everyone afford a separate box for audio? Most certainly not. So Cuz, take what Met said as to apply to him and those like him who "are" running single boxes.....then I'm sure SP2 may seem alot more beneficial. To me personally, I don't want it. SP1 with the proper gear is foolproof anyway. I haven't used IE in over 3 years (as an example).....and anyone who has delved into the depths of browsing knows that IE has always been the least secure. A secure browser alone cuts popups, adware, and spyware down to a bare minimum (depending on which one you opt for by the way). MyIE2 now equals MAXTHON!! So point being, if you want supreme audio, then yes get a separate box and even then you need to tweak it for maximum performance. Do a Google search for audio tweaks on XP if you don't already know. And guys, you both are right in what each of you do. There, did I keep the peace at all?? LOL I know I know....yall were already making up before I got here. lol Peace, Cquence7
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Cquence777 Date:8/20/2004 5:36:41 PM Though your conspiracy theory does hold water, your examples of such do not. The problems you're speaking of are complete and utter exploits of things you must not be aware of. Windows messenger is an open port to allow that "tired of popups?" gray box to jump up. Did you know that Plug and Play is an open port? I do think that some of the viruses and threats thereof are made by devious big business yes, but a secure box is a secure box is it not? But then again I guess I can see how you feel by not knowing what is tried and proven in prevention of this stuff. Norton is proven right? Well, so is other top firewall companies, adware programs, etc, etc. You just need to scan some of those types of forums and get that info. People like us here (and a bit of common sense) will lead you the right way. Peace, Cquence7
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Cquence777 Date:8/20/2004 5:39:24 PM That wasn't an insult by the way Red. I just reread what I wrote at the end and said "damn that sounded harsh"...lol I just meant that you can't just read 1 or 2 posts on that type of info and come away with a proven theory on it. Do alot of research is all I meant. Peace, Cquence7
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Rednroll Date:8/20/2004 6:00:50 PM I don't know if you kept any peace, you expressed your opinion and assumed alot about what we may or may not do. For example: "I have a totally different setup for internet and play." No one really said we used our DAW for the internet or play. My DAW is strictly a DAW with WinXP tweaked for DAW performance, but To me the internet is part of my DAW. It's a way for me to get updates to keep my DAW working better. Hell, when clients and I are waiting for CD's to complete burning or long renders to complete, I will sit there with the client and check out their new website promoting their CD.....therefore it becomes part of my workflow to keep time moving and developing a more personal relationship with my clients. Afterall, PC's are built for multitasking aren't they? I have 2 PC's in my studio setup, one for midi and one for audio, both connected to the internet. If I add another PC for connecting to the net, my clients won't have any where to sit down in my studio and probably would feel a little uncomfortable. I also, never install games on ANY of my PC's. I purchased two Sony PS2'a for that, because I associate a PC with work and the PS2 is my outlet away from work. Why would I want to install games on my PC for enjoyment, when I WORK with audio full time on a PC? That's like saying I'm a race car driver, and to get away from the stress of racing I take my car out and go out on a nice country drive. Most of your post is filled with personal opinions with no facts behind it. You say, your browser is better, there's other software developers with better firewall protection than Windows....."Yeah, and I'm a Protools user and that's better than ACID, and anyone using ACID is not serious about their audio." That's the same type of statements you're making....it's personal opinion....what makes one software better than another? Answer: Personal preferences. What makes one browser bettter than another? Answer: Again personal preferences. You can probably say my Maxthon browser has this that and the other thing that IE2 doesn't have....what makes you think that I NEED this that and the other thing that YOU do?
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Rednroll Date:8/20/2004 6:31:00 PM "but a secure box is a secure box is it not?" The only secure box is a computer with no software installed on it, and how useful is that? There will always be holes that someone will find, if they really want to be malicious. Look at software piracy. Software companies have tried time and time again to come up with some protection scheme, which in the most cases annoys the paying customer, all to protect their software from being stolen. Interloken is a dedicated company to protecting software from being pirated. Guess what? They've ALL been broken by somebody, in a fraction of the time it probably took to develope the protection in the first place. What is a secure box? There is no such thing....secure? for how long? 2 weeks before someone finds a way to get around the security? If things where so secure, McGaffee, and the Norton folks wouldn't have to keep releasing security updates. I work for a large corporation, we have all those hardware and software firewalls along with a secure network server......with all that I wonder why we have an IS department that regularly sends emails warning about a certain virus and requesting to come scan everyone's PC for a possible virus attack? Those security boxes must really be doing the trick?
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: knowbody Date:8/20/2004 6:38:00 PM I have one PC and use it for everything (except games). I'd like to have a DAW, but then there are quite a few things I'd like. I was intending to install SP2 but have decided to hold off. I've read that it basically insists on automatic updates and makes manual updates more cumbersome. Microsoft's track record is too bad to consider automatic updates. The firewall is better than before (not difficult) but doesn't block outgoing traffic and so is inadequate. I do think installing SP2 is going to result in a lot of time checking settings. Regarding the use of Internet Explorer, surely it is more insecure. The fact that it is built into the Operating system surely makes it so. A third party browser has less hooks into the system so even if compromised is less likely to give trouble. I recently installed Firefox onto my system and will be moving to using it in preference to Internet Explorer. I think SP2 is better than nothing for the user who knows nothing about their computer or cares little about it but for anyone who is using a computer on a regular basis is it really likely to offer more security over what you probably have already? As for using Acid I can think of no reason at all to install SP2. I'll be holding off for the foreseeable future. How many cents was that? Chris (Hunt)
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: rome Date:8/20/2004 6:53:55 PM I still believe SP2 to be a must for any Windows PC connected to the internet. This is not because of Windows Firewall or Automatic Updates (both of which can be shut off quite easily). SP2 has all of MS's security updates rolled into one including an IE flaw that allows a website to execute code on your PC. it really doesn't matter if you don't use IE for browsing as there are many apps (including Norton Anti VIrus) that use IE for various functions. To answer the original post (again), I've installed it and it runs fine. No conflicts with Acid.
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: jardeano Date:8/20/2004 7:01:24 PM " I had unprotected sex with complete strangers I've met in bars in the U.S. and I can't reformat that hard drive." LOLLLLLLLL yea,,, if you had sperm ware at ,,no,, I mean spy ware at the time you would of been protected "and third world countries " LOL,, Hola!,, is that you Red?
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Rednroll Date:8/20/2004 7:14:47 PM "LOL,, Hola!,, is that you Red?" Oh yeah, My first trip to Brazil was so good I smuggled my now wife back across the U.S. boarder and married her. I hear some people always complaining about their inlaws interferring with their life. I have to laugh about that sometimes, my inlaws are 5000 miles away and speak a different language. The relationship couldn't be better :-)
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: jardeano Date:8/20/2004 7:31:27 PM "my inlaws are 5000 miles away and speak a different language. The relationship couldn't be better " we are in the same boat,,,my wife is portugese,,, my mother in law is 3000 miles away,, need i say more ,,I speak some portugese,, like ,,,,how's the weather ,I miss you, and see you soon,,, it's great..... who says you can't get along with your mother -in-law,,,,,,,,,,,
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Cquence777 Date:8/20/2004 7:37:36 PM You know what Red, you are truly a genius!! No, I mean it.....you are truly an idiot sevant!! What don't you understand about anything I wrote??? Did I not say that most posts here are "opinion"??? Did you think that was EXCLUDING myself? Here I was trying to calm things down AND voice my opinions and then here you come.....Mr. Know All. Or maybe you think that YOUR "audio high post" setup is the standard?? lol You are truly a person who cannot take the fact that other people here have their own opinions and ideas of how to work. (I said that too in my disclaimed psycho-analysis since you can't read well). And get this everyone, the "only secure box is one without software". LOL Where are you from exactly....UrANUS?? What the hell does malicious cracking & software piracy protection have to do with a box security convo at this place we're in now?? Oh...does the all-knowing MS scan your updates too since other software makers (Norton??) are incompetent?? lol OH, I get it.....you got your version of Acid from the underground crack groups! Now I see. And that would make perfect sense as to why you spent so much time "trying" to explain that any box is prone to attack. What exactly are you saying man?? Either you have a secure box "your way" or you don't. And listen, here's what you said plain and simple...your own words: "For example, I know I've had a few spyware programs installed on my PC from surfing the internet. When all of a sudden, I have pop up advertisements coming up all over the place.....and then all of a sudden I have a pop up advertisement inbetween them all come up on my screen that says, "tired of annoying pop-ups cluttering your screen? and you could have spyware on your PC, then buy our pop up blocker spyware remover software and all your problems will be solved." Ok, I'm an idiot, I'll buy your pop-up software to get rid of the pop-ups you put onto my PC and then next year I'll buy the anti-virus software update, so I can remove the viruses your pop-up blocker software put on my PC. Or maybe, I'll just download the FREE Windows SP2 update that has no vested interest. I mean who's really writing all these viruses. " Well guess what Einstein?!? If legitimate software from Sony, Microsoft, Steinberg, Waves, Native Instruments, etc, etc, attacks my system, then you're right!! Otherwise I would say that you're just an idiot who uses his DAW (which doesn't even qualify as such) to surf the net & god knows what else which makes you prone to EVERY attack known to mankind!! If you have "so many systems" blah blah blah....then you would have sense enough to network them together and never have your DAW online OR a stack of CD's piled to the ceiling!! But again, you're a genius and I'm no match here. I was polite and disclaimed every word.....but you have to be the billybadass who knows all. Keep surfing with IE, updating with SP2, running mudpuddle systems to achieve what 1 high powered true DAW can do audio AND midi-wise, preaching about piracy, having unprotected sex, knowing more than what you have already proved in your writing to NOT KNOW, and bascially being a high priest in the Sony forums! Ciao loser!
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Rednroll Date:8/21/2004 7:14:10 AM You know, I was pretty pollite. I in no way personally attacked you. I gave my personal opinion in response to your personal opinion. I didn't say anyone was right or wrong. You where the one coming into this post to make peace, but what you really did is express your opinion, which sided with one side of the argument in the first place. Sorry, but that is not a peace maker and sorry, but I don't fully agree with your opinion. This is the first time I have ever had a discussion with you, and I thought maybe we could have an intelligent conversation and look at each others viewpoint, and even be able to agree to disagree without having to act like children. Instead you resort to personally attacking me and calling me names. I came to read other users experience of installing the XP2 update, so I could consider it in the future. Instead I got YOUR OPINION of why a DAW shouldn't even be connected to the internet. Maybe you should tell Sony that, because obviously they made a huge mistake by having a feature of "Net Notify" in all their products. They also screwed up when they made an internet registration process on all their software. I've pre beta tested Acid 3.0, Sound Forge 7.0, Vegas 2,3,4,and 5 now. Before official release, a build is released almost once a week for 2-3 months priorto the final release for the beta testers to try out. That's a lot of downloads to be monkeying around with file transfers from one PC to another. When I find problems, I take screen captures of the problems and email them to Sony engineering with bug repro steps. I email them Vegas projects so they can repro the bug and fix it. I'm not sure how I would do that effeciently without having a connection to the internet, so I can give visual bug reports. You're right, have it your way, I'm a know it all, but the fact is I gave an opposing viewpoint, nothing more. It's just too bad we couldn't have a constructive conversation, without you getting all childish on me. Good luck, red
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Cquence777 Date:8/21/2004 8:13:06 AM I never said that a DAW "shouldn't" be connected to the net Red....I merely was trying to help you understand why you have your own words once again:: "When all of a sudden, I have pop up advertisements coming up all over the place.....and then all of a sudden I have a pop up advertisement inbetween them all come up on my screen that says, "tired of annoying pop-ups cluttering your screen?" Personally, I wouldn't risk the 16 years of sound & sample saving that I have tucked away in the HD in order to "surf the net". Again, personal opinion...you're right. To each his own. Take what Metronome said in 1 of his posts...."if you run Windows and are on the net then SP2 is highly reccomended". Nothing wrong with that comment in my opinion. So why can't I say "if you want even more security, take it off the net"? Anyway, ports are open on your system all the time unless you know what to close....that was not opinion, that is factual. Plug & Play is an open port that is exploited.....so is Windows Messenger (as simply 2 examples)....so I was merely trying to help you. I surf the net quite frequently (whether in my DAW or not since you brought that back up to me earlier) , and to say that I have "no" adware, spyware, or virus attacks would be a lie. But an extremely tight system can reduce them down to "basically" non-existent. The browser issue isn't an issue to most....but once you experiment with something better, what's wrong (opinion or not) in trying to turn somebody else on to it? I could have just said "get a different browser"....but you know, I actually put the name up so people could research it themselves.....NOT take my word for it to be the gospel Red. MS is the core to this whole thing....without them no company would master any software. But please don't make the mistake of thinking that every company out there is a "second rate" copy cat because MS introduced the format or core. To each his own no doubt, but try some different stuff man....and I almost (in my opinion) guarantee you'll see some serious improvements from firewalls to browsers to email programs, etc, etc, etc. Also, I did say that your conspiracy theory was somewhat on the mark too. I only say "somewhat" because not all companies are screwing us. Maybe my words came off as too opinionated or forceful and made you think I was squaring off with you. But to make sure you understand something here before I stop with this nonsense, you said that I basically took 1 side to the debate and that was strictly opinion alone.....well Red, I said BOTH were right. Read it again. And the reason they are both right is because it's what works for each of them. But I was commenting on your own owrds (which I copied above). And my more forceful comments were only worded that way because others here made somewhat forceful-type opinionated comments as well which were geared toward things such as "SP2 is essential in the DAW" (I paraphrased there by the way). Again to each his own, but if you want the best security possible, take it off the net. Those were basically your own words when you said something to the effect of "no box is secure". Well, it is if you ensure it to be. Just my opinion.....I could be right. lol
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Iacobus Date:8/21/2004 10:38:27 AM As an aside, I did get a notification to download SP2. (I had the Automatic Update option simply notify me rather than download it automatically.) I initiated the download, but so far, I don't see any network traffic going on. (Microsoft claims it will download in the background while you do other tasks and will resume download should you turn off your system and then turn it on later.) Maybe it's a first come, first serve thing when it finally does become ready? I am already quite aware of what to expect as far as SP2 goes. In all my years of owning a computer, I've never had my PC infected by a virus, but I've had more than my share of attempts to infect via email attachments, floppies, etc. It doesn't mean you have to be constantly vigilant, just careful. I sometimes wonder if the whole thing is a little bit overblown, but I guess not, judging from the number of people who get their PC's infected and/or have spyware unwittingly installed. Remember when the whole Wi-Fi craze started (and continues)? Apparently, there are still those who unknowingly have their wireless home network wide open for others to piggyback onto (to do God only knows what). In those cases, it's just plain ignorance. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Cquence777 Date:8/21/2004 12:25:02 PM Yeah exactly mD.....I build computers on the side and one of the biggest aggravations I have happen is that once you build one and tweak it for somebody, usually within 60 days it is totally infested with adware, spyware, malware and virus.....and then they want you to troubleshoot why it's so slow....or why so much trash is on it, etc, etc. DAW stuff aside, you really and truly can't just get online without the proper set of "tools". In my opinion (notice I disclaim all statements now..lol), I usually reccomend through proven usage by myself and others, a good antivirus, a good firewall aside from MS, a different browser other than IE, and several top notch & reputable adware/spyware programs for removal in case you do get hit. I have my own preferences to all those things and know what seems to work (after alot of money spent proving or disproving them and alot of research) well. Again, I can't say it enough now after all this drama, to each his own. SP2 probably "is" very much needed on a system getting online. But long before MS decided to change it's SP2 structure (as was mentioned wayyy back in this thread) and make it a security update, other companies saw the need for improved security and did some pretty cool things with alot of different software. Nothing wrong with whichever way you wanna go.
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Iacobus Date:8/21/2004 1:11:07 PM I've heard that with SP2's release, Symantec's corporate version of AntiVirus has to be manually configured to have ports opened. Imagine that. :) In any case, I totally agree with Red in regards to security. There will always be holes for someone to exploit. If it wasn't Windows, it'd be Linux. It's just that Windows is the prevailing OS. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Rednroll Date:8/21/2004 3:48:48 PM "In any case, I totally agree with Red in regards to security. There will always be holes for someone to exploit. If it wasn't Windows, it'd be Linux. It's just that Windows is the prevailing OS." Thanks MD, I'm glad someone was able to understand my anology and read between the lines, instead of "What the hell does malicious cracking & software piracy protection have to do with a box security." I'm glad it only has to be spelled out to a few.
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Cquence777 Date:8/22/2004 5:32:49 PM LOL.....you are a trip man. Should I take the time to do this? No. Am I? Yes! Ok, you say I went "childish" on ya huh? Well it seems to me that's what it takes for you to even grasp that your point has NO relevance to anything I've said in this convo. THREAD = SP2, problem or not? Original post FORUM = Sony Acid.......NOT MS Windows or Linux, NOT a forum on how many holes those OS's have, NOT a hardware or software security forum, and NOT a place to get info regarding security related issues. CHILDISH REASONING = Is SP2 a hindrance to Acid or not!!!!! ANSWER = NO! Somewhere back in the beginning of this thread the convo jumped from that basic premise, to whether or not SP2 is better than whatever whatever and/or is it needed on your system. I attempted to step in and try to say no it isn't needed (it's an option), as well as, offer some (opinionated yes) help if someone wanted to do away with "all those annoying popups". Man, do whatever the hell you want! I don't honestly care. I'm not the one who's got "clients" holding up a second while I get rid of this assorted TRASH on my system in order to master you a CD!! lol But know this, a computer can ONLY be infiltrated thru malicious software and/or internet presence! Show me 1 way that it can be other than that?? Come on just 1! Oh ok....the companies (like Sony) that make the software have an agenda (malicious intent) or something right? lol Here, one more time for the handicapped: 1. Install Windows legimate version 2. Install Sony Acid legitmate version 3. Install everything else legitimate version that you use to make music 4. Download updates on separate system & install on DAW thru home network and/or CD....AFTER scan 5. TOTALLY CLEAN system......now dispute that!!??!! 6. Now before you get in a tizzy again, I never once said that a computer that does music can't or shouldn't be connected to the net. I also never said that someone can't do music on whatever kind of system they want. I'm not that stupid. But do not try to tell me that in some fairy tale land, ANY computer is prone to attack. It's not true. You're leaving out the most important part.....prone to what???? NO net, NO malware = NO attack! Let me go.....I think my microwave is being attacked again. My god man.....lol Oh, and by the way, your analysis of my "opinion" is flawed too. It's kind of like you driving a Pinto with no air and me saying "hey, if you're SERIOUS about some climate control when it's 110 degrees, you should get a Lexus". See Red, it's quite obvious that it just doesn't apply to you......so your "preference" is irrelevant. ;) Ciao!
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Rednroll Date:8/23/2004 6:22:52 AM Alls I can say is that you've certainly made your point of being one hell of a peace maker, not sure about anything else. With diplomats like this, who needs dictators?
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Cquence777 Date:8/23/2004 8:52:31 AM lol....touche'. ;) As I said, my original posts came off harsh....and I even went back and wrote another to disclaim that and to say "not an insult". But you had to blast me with your many examples of race cars, and Pro Tools, and "who said I NEED your advice anyway" comments. So I will just read other's BS from now on & god forbid voice any of my own. Do your thing Red. That's all I can say man. Re-read your two 8/20/04 posts, and then do your "on the edge" thing! How dare me think you might need a hand! lol
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Rednroll Date:8/23/2004 10:23:58 AM Here, let me post it for you what I said. "You can count me in on the moron list. My DAW is connected to the internet. I haven't had any problems which I couldn't fix thus far, in the last 7 years using a DAW connected to the internet. My machine has never started smoking due to a virus." Let me reexplain further. I have had a total of 4 Daws now, ALL of them have been connected to the internet. No, I don't do audio work, when connected to the internet, aside from what I previously mentioned. I don't have a hardware or software firewall outside of Windows XP. I don't believe in them. If you want to purchase an external firewall box, that has nice blinking lights on the front of it, which also has it's own SOFTWARE built into it, then so be it. If that's what it takes to make you feel secure, then I guess we all have our security blankets. Mine is one thing, which should be a staple in everyone's work habit doing studio work....BACKUP. You can not make enough backups of your work. My studio has never been shut down, within the 7 years of having my DAW connected to the internet. If I'm going to waste money, on another PC to surf the internet, I rather put that money into just building another DAW as a BACKUP system. As it stands right now, with all my backups I can have my system restored and have my backup audio project data backup within an hour. So while you choose to purchase 3rd party browser software, Firewall software, and external hardware firewalls, I say more power to you if that makes you feel comfortable. I rather take that money and invest it in a nice set of mic pre's to improve my audio quality. If it makes you feel more comfortable having no connection to the internet to avoid any possibility of getting a virus on your PC, then great, that's your choice to make yourself feel comfortable. I rather have quick access to getting OS updates, hardware updates and software audio tool updates, to keep a smother running DAW. That's the world we live in today. You can burden yourself from something that may never happen, or you can choose as I do, and just be prepared if something does happen. In both cases neither side is wrong, nor is anyone a moron for choosing the way they prefer to work. That was my whole point. Now, let's get back to the original subject, which was, "has anyone had any problems due to installing the SP2 update?". If you can contribute to that question then I would love to hear your feedback.
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Iacobus Date:8/23/2004 10:44:43 AM "Mine is one thing, which should be a staple in everyone's work habit doing studio work....BACKUP. You can not make enough backups of your work. My studio has never been shut down, within the 7 years of having my DAW connected to the internet." Amen to that. I've seen some heartache for users just because they didn't take the time to backup their projects/documents (and it wasn't even security-related). I have a hardware firewall. I get about 10 to 20 attempts to scan my ports a day. If a really good hacker wanted to get in, I'm sure he could. But if a good hacker is worth his salt, he won't care about Joe Computer. It's the script kiddies (the amateur hackers) that cause me the most concern. They can cause more harm just because they don't even know what they're doing. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Cquence777 Date:8/23/2004 11:26:25 AM Ok, I definitely can see now how you took my original posts as insulting. I just read your last post and thought "really good content"....and then got to the last statement and thought "so my opinions are crap unless I comment on SP2 huh". LOL That's the glory of lack of emotion when we all post text alone I guess. Anyway, I promise just 1 comment to your last post and then a response to the thread topic. I think what happened (or happens at times) is that as we all work differently, our opinions take on pretty "set in our ways" viewpoints. Ok, now this to come isn't bragging or I've got better stuff ok? (have to disclaim around here) But I've been into music for 21 years. I have owned many Pro boards & samplers like the Roland W30, Korg 01/W, Korg Trinitron, Roland XP80, Akai samplers, Roland samplers, EMU, etc, etc. When the bridge was finally made between music and Pro Audio, man I was in heaven! A comp that would score your song thru midi....sequencers, wav samples now in the mix, ACID, etc, etc, etc....and the list continues to grow even! So to me, my original thought was to always keep it away from "regular" or everyday life with a computer.....the internet, attacks, adware, etc. Doesn't mean that anybody is wrong for what they do, just that I never saw it as the "all in one" answer to everything. I saw it as a DAW (as any of the others I've owned made by Roland, Akai, EMU, etc) which happened to be a computer. So anyway, just so you'd know my way of thinking there. I truly do understand that it's far easier to use the same 1 for updates, or downloading sounds, etc, etc. But I think this part here is where we have disagreed the most Red. You live it "on the edge"....if it dumps, then screw it...I've got a backup. And that's cool by the way. But me, I'm the guy who worries about that system crash....and if the backup is still valid (working properly), or how many backups do I need in case 1 backup does get messed up. Right now in this 1 room I'm in now, there are 6 HD's running betweeen 2 comps (net comp & DAW).....over 500gb of data on storage & backup. SyQuest data drives, Zip drives, and assorted DVD & CD media holding vital data. So yes, I do understand backup too. But bro, 21 years of sounds & samples, editing, songs, song files, etc, etc.....worries the crap out of me! So yes, I do try to keep the BS out of this room....on either of the systems. But again, no offense to you if you do not. I made an assumption that everyone wanted the tightest system possible....so for that, I apologize. (no offense by that now...ok?) There is a list of over 40 programs at last check that were incompatible with SP2. When I converted (finally) from Win98 to WinXP, I waited a very long time to get all the programs that I use back up to par with compatibility. The main ones will always be there fairly quick I think.....but I still have 1 today that never made the transition. I miss the hell out of it too! Anyone familiar with Reloop2? So, everything I have read says that there are no conflicts with Acid. I just don't think with everything else that gets used for music production, that it's safe to upgrade yet (my opinion again....VSTi's, VST's, other sequencers, editors, and third party apps that are crucial for me personally).
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: ozzborn Date:8/24/2004 4:59:41 AM my 2cents.i ve seen people do both but i also think it depends on how computer savy you are. example. i also come from a hardware world yamaha o3d,finalizer,joe meek,lexicon,korg karma,nord lead etc.... i use my 2 computers strictly for music,i understand how my computer componets relates to what a daw needs,but outside of music, i havent a clue. my internet computer frequently has more problems,so by keeping the intenet off my main computers, i have less things to troubleshoot if something goes wrong. i ve had 1 problem on my first music computer in 4 years(knock on wood)and that was due to a cakewalk pyro demo. ive had about 5 or 6 little things and 2 big things (1.something messed up all my hardware drivers 2. i just took it to the shop and had it rebuilt)in the last 3 years on my internet computer. moral of the story i try to avoid as many headaches as possible.
Subject:RE: XP SP2 Reply by: Cquence777 Date:8/24/2004 4:13:41 PM Cool Ozz....you have had some classic gear too man! ;) I'm thinking right now about investing in that Roland FantomX7 board.......has USB to import wav samples str8 to the keys or pads! Oh, and in my earlier post, I meant to say "when computers met Pro Audio" not "when music met Pro Audio".

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