Subject:Which components of a program are transferable?

Posted by: th3shad0w

Date:7/21/2004 11:32:03 AM

I have been trying to build up a library of sounds and files to make my main program better, obviously waves and sound files are transferrable and obviously program specific files such as .rfl's are not. THe main thing im wondering about is are VST's in .DLL transferabble to other programs with VST support. In my estimation they should be as there are VST's that can be installed as plug ins to multiple programs, is this correct?

~the shadow

Subject:RE: Which components of a program are transferable?

Reply by: DKeenum

Date:7/21/2004 11:59:58 AM

Vsts, vstis, and dxs should all be able to be accesed by other programs.

Subject:RE: Which components of a program are transferable?

Reply by: th3shad0w

Date:7/21/2004 2:35:50 PM

ok i tried to transfer the instrument "scratch" to acid pro by putting it in the default vsti folder but acid pro doesnt recognize it, is there a way to make it recognize?

Subject:RE: Which components of a program are transferable?

Reply by: DKeenum

Date:7/22/2004 6:01:38 AM

You lost me there. Give some more info.

Subject:RE: Which components of a program are transferable?

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:7/22/2004 7:17:46 AM

When you say "scratch", are you talking about Final Scratch? I don’t believe this is a VST instrument (i.,e., VSTi). You can’t just drag DLL’s into the VST Plug-ins folder and expect them to work. They must conform to the VSTi interface and usually if they do, their installation program will copy the required DLL’s for you.

There should be no need to "transfer". VST is designed to be seen by any program on your computer that supports VST’s. The way VST usually works, all VST Plug-ins all get installed into the same Plug-ins folder and then all programs that use VST’s know to look for them there. Some programs make their own plug-in folder but ACID does not. It uses the standard VST folder and allows you to point to two others because of these other programs that place VST’s in their own folder.

Make sure the plug-in you are trying to use is, in fact, a VST Instrument (i.e, VSTi). If it is not, ACID cannot use it.

~jr

Subject:RE: Which components of a program are transferable?

Reply by: th3shad0w

Date:7/22/2004 11:19:19 AM

you are correct that particular one, scratch was not a vst (it came from arturia storm and was simply a .dll file for that program), however when i transferred another one into the default directory from the fruity loops folder, fl slayer which describes itself as vst, it was not recognized either.

Subject:RE: Which components of a program are transferable?

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:7/22/2004 1:06:47 PM

OK, let start with this "transferring" concept. I assume you are copying DLL’s around your system. In general, this is a bad idea. While many VSTi’s are contained within a single DLL some require extra files and if you don’t copy these extra files they won’t work, and when you uninstall things they won’t know you made a copy and things just get messy. Just try not do it.

The right way to accomplish what you want is to go into ACID Pro’s Options > Preferences > VST Instruments dialog and add the FL Studio VST plug-ins directory to one of the Alternate VSTi search folders. This will tell ACID to search these other directories for VSTi plug-ins instead of you copying DLL’s around your system and wondering why they don’t work.

FL Studio is one of those programs that keeps its VST’s in its own plug-in folder. (Remember I said some programs do this) Sometimes this is done because the people who make these programs don’t want to play nice with everyone else. This includes some Steinberg products and they invented VST! Some companies code their plugins so that they only work with their programs. I have Steinberg Cubasis VST 4 and its plug-ins complain if you try to use them from other programs. So things are not a rosy as they would seem.

In general, when you buy a VSTi plug-in, it will install into the common plugin directory and be seen by any application on your PC that uses VSTi plugins. Also, in general, if a program comes with its own VSTi plug-ins and places them in its own private plug-in folder, don’t be surprised of these plug-ins don’t work with other programs. That’s the way the company intended it to be. They want to lock you into only using their application. I suggest you repay their charity by not buying their programs anymore but that’s just me.

Hope this helps clear things up a bit.

~jr

Subject:RE: Which components of a program are transferable?

Reply by: th3shad0w

Date:7/22/2004 2:26:38 PM

thank you jr, on another note do you know where to get any free vsti's? i just downloaded the green oak crystal and it works great what are some other ones?

Subject:RE: Which components of a program are transferable?

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:7/22/2004 2:43:12 PM

I sure do. The best place to find free VSTi’s is on the K-v-R web site. They’ve just about everything listed and you can filter your search to just fine free ones. I’ve got links to some of my favorites listed on my web site on the VST Instruments page. I recommend getting the free SoundFont player and then searching the web for the 1000’s of free SoundFonts that are available. You will be amazed at what you find.

~jr