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Subject:2 1/2 years and still no update!
Posted by: dabb
Date:7/7/2004 5:32:21 PM
Unbelievable, Sony at its best...2 1/2 years old Acid software and not a word from them as to how development is coming around. I seriously wonder if I should keep my hopes up or just make the move to another host better known as "Live 4" and doing fine! my two cents... dabb |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: MyST
Date:7/7/2004 5:50:04 PM
Call me optimistic, but I think it's coming soon. Hopefully I'll still have some $$$, cuz summer toys/trips don't come cheap. I already had to buy some pads to go mountain biking. Why do I tell you this? Because if it takes too long, Pros will start putting money in other software, and hobbyists like me, will put it in other hobbies. ;-) Mario PS: Hurry Sony, my funds are vanishing quickly. As it is, the upgrade price better be as enticing as in the past. (Fingers crossed) |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: SHTUNOT
Date:7/7/2004 7:51:31 PM
Please be patient dude. Now back too.... Ed. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: Spirit
Date:7/8/2004 12:53:31 AM
I keep hopping from foot to foot thinking "should I get Ableton 3 now, or should I wait for Acid ?" I've got such a good price on offer for Ableton - but it won't last.... When's summer Namm ? Does Sony have a booth yet ? |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: buckaroo
Date:7/8/2004 2:51:11 AM
"2 1/2 years and still no update!" I know - its a bit of a joke now - Do Sony actually read these forum posts? Ableton 4 looks like it maybe the death of Acid, as someone else already post here... Come on Sony... your really starting to Lag.. now |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: coolout
Date:7/8/2004 4:39:15 AM
buckaroo have you tried live before? there's no way ableton 4 could be the death of acid, unless they change that horrible GUI. i've never heard anyone who has used both live and acid pro 4 prefer live. it's usually mac owners or folks that mainly use a more traditional sequencer/DAW like protools, logic, or cubase. please don't take my word for it...do a tune in acid: preview some loops, add some riffs from a vsti, record and comp a lead vocal, add some more loops, change the timing, key, or chop them into little bits that you can eq, mix, and add effects to. if you're just doing a remix or mash-up go ahead and import that mp3, beatmap it, and add all that other stuff. heck while you're at it go ahead and mix it in 5.1 surround just so you can play it on your home theater. wasn't that easy...you probably barely had to crack open the manual. NOW... go download a trial of abelton live and try do the same things...you'll see what i'm talking about after you've pulled out all of your hair. they have a couple good concepts for...er "live" use but for editing and mixing various types of audio the GUI is unintuative crap IMHO. i really wanted to like live sooo bad just so i could rewire it to logic 5 or nuendo. it's just not as easy to use as acid pro...hands down. now if apple's soundtrack or garageband was ported to windows, acid would have a direct challenge. they seem to be acid pro ripoffs in an aqua-type shell. i can't see how anyone that has used acid pro 4 would want to switch to live. if you really want to arrange acid loops, record multichannel audio, and have a beefier/more complicated sequencer, sonar's been out for years. if you're a DJ and you want to play your own tracks in front of a crowd, take your $299 and get a pioneer cdj100 cd deck. you be able to stutter, pitchshift, filter, flange and mix any audio you can burn to a cd. i'm kinda glad sony is taking so long, that probably means they have some big stuff in store. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: buckaroo
Date:7/8/2004 4:54:24 AM
Yes i have tried Live and its fine, as have some of the others on here who have posted about the possible changing over to live 4... I agree acid is simple and nicer to look at , and i do hope your right about Acid 5 being something big :-) |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: Spirit
Date:7/8/2004 5:23:45 AM
The GUI argument is not a decisive factor imho. I've heard plenty of Ableton users say how ridiculously antiquated the Acid GUI is. I rather like the Ableton GUI, but then I also like Acid - both get the job done for me. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: billybk
Date:7/8/2004 6:11:09 AM
"...2 1/2 years old Acid software and not a word from them as to how development is coming around" Well...... actually it'll be two years next month. I remember too, because as soon as ACID 4 was announced and available for download, I purchased the upgrade. I still have my reciept confirmation, August 19th, 2002 :) But, you are right, it has been a long, long time been updates. From what I've "read" and "heard" in the grapevine, is that ACID 5 is currently being beta tested. So the question remains, when will it be released? Not before it's ready for Prime Time, I guess. Billy Buck |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: SHTUNOT
Date:7/8/2004 9:46:15 AM
"if you really want to arrange acid loops, record multichannel audio, and have a beefier/more complicated sequencer, sonar's been out for years. " Haven't I been saying this for years????? The more time it takes the more stable it will be...Wasn't that #1 on everybodies wishlist? Will acid 5 be worth your coin will be determined when you download the demo and see. As I've said before...one more time...Budget your money and buy BOTH. And rewire them together so there is no excuses. "that probably means they have some big stuff in store"...now that is very subjective. A new feature that is worth it to me might send someone to these forums to write a post calling acid a "toy" for not adding their ideas. Remember sony is listening...but realistically there is only so much that can be done so if your feature doesn't show up please take that into consideration. Ed. ...now back to... |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: rome
Date:7/8/2004 11:40:18 AM
The suspense is killing me....Sony,...info....please....before it's to late........... |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: gjn
Date:7/8/2004 12:09:03 PM
Acid pass after vegas video It is normal. It is the big market. Acid does not evolve any more. It is not normal. Wait 2 years and 6 months. In the development, the data processing, it wants to say less investment. Conclude what you want. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:7/8/2004 12:23:57 PM
I swear you can't win. It's either "Sony's taking too long!" or "ACID is too buggy!" Are people that preoccupied? Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: Spirit
Date:7/8/2004 3:09:54 PM
Taking a long time has nothing to do with being buggy or not. Release date depends more on when they started and what resources were assigned to the project. Sure, fixing bugs after the beta testers report is critical, but it's not the main factor in how long everything takes. Isn't the real situation that Sony didn't even start work on version five until last December when they called for suggestions ? Not that any of this is terribly important - just history now - but the "take as long as you like to get it right" argument is often very misleading. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: MyST
Date:7/8/2004 5:32:54 PM
I'm curious. I've already explained that my funds are dwindling because I'm spending it on other priorities. I use Acid as a hobby and have yet to scratch it's full potential. I'm anxiously awaithing AP5 to see if what's been changed/added will help my workflow as a hobbyist. What I don't get is why Pros are ready to drop a tool that served/is serving them so well. I can't see how Ableton Live 4 being released all of a sudden makes AP4 useless and unproductive. Do you guys/gals do this with all other music software? Are you now losing jobs because Acid doesn't do what Live does? I'm really not trying to be sarcastic, honest. I'd just like it explained to me by a Pro why AP4 is now useless and worth abandoning because Live 4 has been released. Mario |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:7/8/2004 8:15:53 PM
I'm with Mario. Acid 4 works just as well for me now as it did 2 years ago, when I bought it. And to add... Anyone who is looking for Acid to be their "all-in-one" is dreaming. Acid will NEVER offer the midi that Sonar (and others) offer. It shouldn't. It's NOT a midi app. It's an AUDIO LOOPING app. I'm actually not anticipating Acid 5, because I think there's gonna be a lot of midi/audio recording features that I will never use, because I have other apps that I use for that. Maruuk caught a lot of heat in this forum campaigning for Rewire. In hindsight, he was right. Rewire solves a lot of peripheral issues, because it allows Acid to hook up with other apps that do other things better. Acid is a Pro app. Pros use more than one application (with RARE exception). IMHO, Acid will continue to be a Pro app if Sony focuses on what Acid is -- a loop-based app. Sony has proven with V5 & DVDA2 (and updates) that they are serious about putting out quality stuff -- and fixing it when it doesn't work right. If they continue along the same lines, Acid will re-emerge, just as Vegas and DVDA have FINALLY emerged. I only hope that they go in that direction... |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: ozzborn
Date:7/9/2004 4:52:03 AM
i agree with the with rewire being a good way to go but, but when they introduced midi and asio into this app it changed. i love A4 but my hope is for better midi integration.sometimes midi works right sometimes it dosent. the pianoroll editor not being able to sync with the rest of your project is stupid. if sonyfo is going to give you midi that sometimes works,and gets half way there, your only going to get more frustrated because your so close but your held up for the dumbest reason. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: billybk
Date:7/9/2004 5:25:26 AM
"Rewire solves a lot of peripheral issues, because it allows Acid to hook up with other apps that do other things better." This will be the key defining moment for ACID 5, IMO, Rewire slave capability. I don't really care about the MIDI/softsynth/multi-tracking stuff, I've rarely used it for that anyway. I've got SONAR 3, which is all I need for those tasks. You are not going to convince many, if any, Nuendo, SONAR, Cubase SX, Samplitude, Project 5, Pro Tools users to suddenly drop their full featured, expensive host apps and go with ACID for all of their MIDI/Softsnth/Multi-tracking/Mixing needs. I can tell you it ain't gonna happen, no matter what SONY does to improve on those features. What will cause many of these aforementioned host app users(all of which are already Rewire host compatible) to buy into ACID 5, is if they can tightly intergrate ACID 5 into their current DAW host setup, via it's Rewire slave capabilities and use it's superior loop arranging tools within their own environment. If I could, I would rather use ACID 5 rewired to SONAR, than use SONAR's own looping features. As a current ACID Pro 4 user, I'm probably NOT going to upgrade to A5, if it does not have Rewire slave capability and only tries to duplicate features that I already have and use in SONAR 3. It is probably the same for any other SONAR, Nuendo, SX, Samplitude, Pro Tools user out there. So the key, IMO, is for ACID 5 to implement a tightly integrated and advanced Rewire slave solution that is reliable and bug free while also further enhancing and developing it's looping capabilities (advanced loop creating/mangling/editing tools & improved pitch/time stretching algorithms), anything else would be icing on the cake. Speaking of pitch/time stretching algorithms, has anybody had the opportunity to check out the latest Melodyne 2.5 from Celemony. Wicked, wicked audio app, that basically treats audio like MIDI. It's pitch/time-stretching algos and editing are the best in the business, IMO. This is what i would like to see ACID doing more of with audio, be innovative with audio again. Check out the 10 minute streaming video of Melodyne, in action, to see what I mean. What they do with audio is simply amazing: http://www.celemony.com/melodyne/demos.html Let's make ACID Pro 5: THE PREMIER LOOP ARRANGING TOOL that works the way you want to work, whether you use Nuendo, SONAR, SX, Samplitude or Pro Tools, ACID Pro 5 can work for you. Hey that could be a new marketing slogan for ACID Pro 5 :) Billy Buck |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: Spirit
Date:7/9/2004 9:55:02 AM
I understand the rewire arguement, but please don;t assume that it's the *only* way to go. Some people simply don't want to use it - either they don;t want the CPU overhead of running another sequencer in paralell, or want the simplicity of working in a single app. Well lt em. Rewire is *not* the miracle solution to all situations and all "gaps" in an app. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: gjn
Date:7/10/2004 5:14:58 AM
Finally true questions; Sony, if you please.. Bring to acid 5 the forces of melodyne and live 4. It is not a quirk. It is the comfort for us. Sonic foundry had accustomed to us to have creative tools. Today acid is a follower... |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: rome
Date:7/10/2004 11:09:32 AM
I switched from Sonar to Acid. I'd appeciate better midi features integrated into Acid's incredibly logical workflow. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: SHTUNOT
Date:7/10/2004 8:21:27 PM
Metronome... Could you please be specific of what midi features you would like to see. What would be a "necessity" to have for the way you work? Again please don't be vague. Ed. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: ozzborn
Date:7/11/2004 4:53:01 AM
for me 1.the pianoroll editor does not scroll with the project.its hard to move notes around when you cant hear the rest of your project. 2.sometimes when try to record midi acid does not see the midi data from your keyboard.you have to change the record from midi to audio and back to midi or cancel and start again. 3. midi pluggins that dont crash your system. quantise,swing,drumeditor,apregiator |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: gjn
Date:7/11/2004 5:56:21 AM
midi file Be able to record several tracks midifile at the same time. Compatibility Slave rewire. Effect vsti. Audio Bigger ease of transfer enters acid and vegas. " If acid do not manage audio multitrack ". Acid towards vegas. Seen again(Revised) audio engine. Ergonomics Continue to keep a good ergonomics. " Force of acid and vegas. " Documentation Video " with examples to learn to use well the software." Look for the example at this link http://www.celemony.com/melodyne/movies/wmvdsl.html Good courage and long life in sony. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: gjn
Date:7/11/2004 7:20:53 AM
http://www.samples4.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=600&osCsid=b05a47fa622ae4f833cf48b47cece82e for information |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: rome
Date:7/11/2004 10:03:51 AM
One thing I liked about Sonar it had this Finale type midi editor, that was the bomb. I'd like a metronome (how'd you guess). How about a groove quantize function? Also I'd like to see drum machine style loop recording. It would be nice to be able to play chopper's slices via midi and record the performance. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: jtxx000
Date:7/12/2004 8:56:16 AM
I'd like to see more flexibility in general... routing of buses to other buses, seperate window for mixer, multiple outputs for vst, vst effects, ability to make a loop out of a recording w/out having to render to a new track, stretching for midi, macros, ect. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: ozzborn
Date:7/12/2004 3:16:26 PM
you can put the mixer in a seperate window,aswell as the explorer,the chopper,properties,and effects page. just grab the mixer on the left side and it will undock |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: merlyn60
Date:7/12/2004 3:26:44 PM
I'd just like to see! |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: coolout
Date:7/14/2004 3:20:02 AM
"It would be nice to be able to play chopper's slices via midi and record the performance." buy phatmatik pro "I'd like a metronome (how'd you guess). How about a groove quantize function? Also I'd like to see drum machine style loop recording." trust me on this...buy an akai mpc. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: rome
Date:7/14/2004 10:05:33 AM
Phatmatik Pro is the bomb. I'm sold. (Good Looking!) "trust me on this...buy an akai mpc" You sound like my people. I'm considering this but I really want to compose as much as I can in Acid. But I may have to pick one up. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: ozzborn
Date:7/14/2004 10:16:26 AM
i like the mpc but id prefer keeping as much as possible in the computer. im sure syncing acid to the mpc wouldn't be rock solid(someone who does this please chime in). i just bought the akai mpc pads(pd16) to use with acid and reason(cant wait to use the pads on the redrum). this way id have the pads but none of the headaches of sycing acid and the mpc. p.s. , this is why rewire is essential. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: rome
Date:7/14/2004 10:22:46 AM
The PD16 looks HOT! Battery and this could be a match made in heaven. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: coolout
Date:7/14/2004 2:58:14 PM
i don't think the solution is the just in the pads, it's the ease of use and tightness of the sequencer combined with the pads. that's why i suggested a mpc. a hardware sequencer doesn't suffer from juggling midi, audio, asio latency, and plug ins. it just has a tighter feel that hard to describe. i will say if you've never used a hardware sampler before the sample file system and menus may seem a little cumbersome. what i do is sync it with acid, drop my samples in battery, and then trigger/sequence from the mpc. it's the best of both worlds. plus it's portable...if you really want to turnoff the computer and get inspired you can always drop some sounds on a zip and go into another room or a friends house and make a beat. i see the mpc as a standard tool that never goes out of style. at $500-900 it's not a cheap shortcut, but an investment that puts the same tools in your hands thats used on at least 90% of popular music (not counting live drums). if you find something better they maintain an insane resell value too. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: ozzborn
Date:7/14/2004 4:43:25 PM
ive synced acid with otrher sequencers in the past and they drift over a period of time.are you saying the mpc syncs perfect. please respond |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: coolout
Date:7/15/2004 3:34:39 AM
ozz are you using midi timecode or midi clock? here's what i've found that works...acid as the master sending midi clock out to my mpc's midi input while the mpc's midi out is triggering a vsti in acid. i also will send the midi out from a keyboard into the other midi input on the mpc for keyboard parts. my mpc 2000 has 2 midi ins and 2 midi outs. i never noticed any drift at all but i dont usually sequence the whole song through just loop midi parts to acid loops. you hit play on acid the mpc plays right along. hit overdub on the mpc and bang out your beat. i usually record the mpc sequences to an acid track and then visually edit, render, arrange, and save in acid. i don't know if anyone else works like this but this is what i've found to be the quickest way to get stuff done. i have the rock-solid and quick hardware way of doing things plus i don't have to worry about editing and naming samples/sequences in the mpc. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: ozzborn
Date:7/15/2004 6:00:39 PM
ive never synced acid to extenal sources just other apps on the same computer. this week i think ill expierment with external sequencers. my setup computer 1 pentium 4 3.0 gig 1024 megs ram rme multiface uad card computer 2 pentium lll 1.2 gig 512 of ram 3 pulsar cards korg karma nordlead planet phatt yamaha o3d mixer finalizer plus lexicon mpx1 joemeek vc1q and someother stuff i dont really use |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: coolout
Date:7/16/2004 3:56:17 AM
damn...THREE pulsar cards?!?!? |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: gjn
Date:7/16/2004 4:29:59 AM
3 scope cards of creamware |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: ozzborn
Date:7/16/2004 4:50:24 PM
actually 2 pulsars and 1 powersampler but they discontinued the luna,powersampler,modular cards and just called them all lunas.so most people look at me funny when i say powersampler. now theres 3 new lines. i plan on getting 1 tc powerore in computer 1, but id like to know if it plays well with acid |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:7/16/2004 9:41:47 PM
Some guy on here was saying he had some problems implementing the TC PowerCore with Acid. |
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Subject:RE: 2 1/2 years and still no update!
Reply by: forlornsoul
Date:7/28/2004 4:20:47 PM
I've just went and purchased Live 3.0.2 and upgraded to 3.0.4 (free) then spent the extra $49 and went to 4.0.1 and just went through the help tutorial (first one) and it opened my eyes more clearer than my buddy (who's been using Live since 1.0 and is an Acid user/owner as well) showed me the past two days. In one word - incredible - and I am just starting to learn this beast. It has a curve yes, the gui takes some getting used to but it has stuff that can't be done in Acid at this point and who knows if it will be able to down the road? Muck around in the midi with effects like randomizer then go to the audio side and add in more effects. It is amazing. Gives me thoughts on doing all sorts of stuff. Take a clip and muck around with it, clip hasn't changed or been recorded out yet, arm it up after playing with all your clips and render it out. FIx timing in drum tracks, etc...simple! I hope Acid 5.0 has a ton of good stuff, otherwise I won't upgrade to it for awhile. This will keep me busy learning and playing around with it. There is a ton of potential in Live 4.0, especially on the MIDI side for mucking around in it. Mike |