Subject:Sony Media Software Should Buy

Posted by: Fluxhouse

Date:7/4/2004 5:30:32 PM

Firstly I don't like Sony, lol. They make good hardware but that is it. So I'm in protest of this. It pissed me off they bought my favorite music software. But this doesn't have much to do with my post. and this site is alittle too much to find. b4 I just typed in 2 word, sonicfoundry, and now I have to type a ton crap.

I bought some loop pack from SonicFoundry(now Sony) sometime ago. I really wasn't happy that much. I produce a lot of hip hop tracks. and the loops just don't have much to offer. I bought the "MAC Money Hip Hop" and "MAC Money R&B".

It is amazing how the Hip Hop loop cd does have much to work with. The R&B CD is more hip hop and the Hip Hop CD is more R&B. Backwards. Its totally backwards. I use the R&B 90% of the time. This is mainly because of the One Shots. The Hip Hop Doesn't any One Shots. I don't like the one shots on the Sony Loops even though I use them a lot.

I think you guys from Sony(now) buy or make a CD with the ModernBeats.com. They make some good one shots. A lot of famous proudcers use them or Abstractbeats.com.

Subject:RE: Sony Media Software Should Buy

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:7/5/2004 10:57:42 AM

It's Sony Pictures Digital (SPD) that bought the software line from Sonic Foundry. You could see this coming, as Sonic Foundry's software used to show up on Sony's computers, and Sony had rebranded the "lighter" versions of ACID before.

In any case, SPD still has the core teams that used to work with Sonic Foundry working on the newer versions of the apps (like Peter, Joel, et al. on ACID Pro), so it's not like they threw out the baby with the bath water.

Iacobus
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RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid
mD's ACIDplanet Page
Guitars 4 Kids

Subject:RE : Logiciel de Médias de Sony Devrait Acheter

Reply by: gjn

Date:7/5/2004 11:59:58 AM

but yes
They are losing;
More winners;
Look them at manners to answer in the forum;
Typical of losing...

Sony died; lively live 4 for ableton .

Subject:RE: RE : Logiciel de Médias de Sony Devrait Acheter

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:7/6/2004 9:14:37 AM

*crickets chirping*

ACID, in its present incarnation (version 4.0), can do things the new version of Live still cannot, especially in regards to multimedia production (and the fact its workflow fits within Vegas' and Sound Forge's paradigms).

But I digress...

"Winning" and "losing" is all relative. For example, Live "loses" in my book merely because it cannot work with multimedia. Different apps mean different things to different people.

Iacobus
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RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid
mD's ACIDplanet Page
Guitars 4 Kids

Subject:RE: RE : Logiciel de Médias de Sony Devrait Acheter

Reply by: gjn

Date:7/6/2004 9:38:06 AM

It is indeed it the problem.
Acid should be a complete sequencer now.
It is not any more only a tracker.

And the multi audio tracks?
The effects vst?
Rewire slave?

And the audio engine?
And bug?
And the edition midifile?

Subject:RE: RE : Logiciel de Médias de Sony Devrait Acheter

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:7/7/2004 11:18:23 AM

ACID is a loop sequencer first and foremost. The rest is icing on the cake, whatever that may be. (e.g., music beds and projects, effects for Flash, commercials, PowerPoint, other multimedia projects, etc.)

It's not a sequencer like SONAR, Cubase, et al. are. Vegas (minus the absence of MIDI) is actually more close in function to those apps than ACID is (and then some, especially in regards to video production).

I can't understand why I have to keep repeating myself but here goes: Anything new to ACID has to fit within ACID's paradigm, which is looping. If multitracking was introduced to ACID, for example, it would have to fit into how ACID already works.

(And the only thing I can think of on how this would work is that mulitracked recordings were treated like One-shots—what you hear is what you get—because that's how multitrackers treat tracks. They don't timestretch like ACID does for Loop and Beatmapped track types.)

Iacobus
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RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid
mD's ACIDplanet Page
Guitars 4 Kids

Subject:RE: RE : Logiciel de Médias de Sony Devrait Acheter

Reply by: gjn

Date:7/7/2004 12:10:29 PM

I could to accept your opinion.

But it would be necessary that acid is useful in rewire SLAVE.

Subject:RE: RE : Logiciel de Médias de Sony Devrait Acheter

Reply by: coolout

Date:7/7/2004 1:06:21 PM

here's my two cents...even with the things missing that gin stated acid still kicks live's ass in workflow and ease of use. acid has the quickest and easiest way to manipulate audio...hands down.

trust me...the development team knows everyone wants rewire slave.

but to get back to the intial point that fluxhouse brought up...

the majority of successful hiphop producers DO NOT use sample cd's or one shots from whatever sites he listed. they usually have thousands of records and their own collection of sounds taken from these records. they usually use a sampling drum machine like an akai mpc and/or emu sp1200. if you want to make hiphop you have to understand that this is the standard concept and the reason hiphop sounds the way it does.

guess what, even if a producer doesn't take that approach and takes drums straight off another producer's track or gets it off a sample cd they're sampling someone who did it the old fashioned way.

so cut out the middle man, stop being so lazy, and get your own sounds instead of trying to emulate. it's much more cost effective and fun to spend an afternoon flipping through the dollar record bins than paying 50-100 bucks for a sample cd. plus the more classic music you have the more you'll learn about music and you'll be able to incorporate your new found styles into your own compositions instead of following whatever's in the mainstream.

oh yeah...save your pennies and get a sampling drum machine. your drum tracks will thank you.

Subject:RE: Sony Media Software Should Buy

Reply by: gjn

Date:7/8/2004 12:10:41 PM

2 and a half years without evolution!!!

What conclusion?