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Subject:Ableton Live 4... ACID's death?!!!
Posted by: nikkeinomura
Date:6/14/2004 2:46:26 AM
Ableton announces the forthcoming release of the new live 4 with full midi implementation and VSTi support... Will it be the death for ACID?!!! Live 4 is simply INCREDIBLE and beats ACID in quite every key feature, what will be the response of Sony with ACID 5.0?! IMHO it's strongly needed a critical revolution and growing in ACID's features in order to mantain the customer satisfaction of the past years. ACID has been a very piece of cake in music making, but Live 4 now is more powerful and could steal a good portion of ACID users (me included). The release o Live 4 is prewied to July 2004, I'm saving money to buy a software... give me some strong reasons in order not to buy this software, explain me why I should not invest my money and wait for ACID 5. RESPECT |
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Subject:RE: Ableton Live 4... ACID's death?!!!
Reply by: DKeenum
Date:6/14/2004 7:16:42 AM
I say, "Go ahead and buy Live. If you think it's better, you won't be satisfied until you have it." I'll just keep on trudging alone on Acid 4.0f. ;-) |
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Subject:RE: Ableton Live 4... ACID's death?!!!
Reply by: billybk
Date:6/14/2004 8:35:25 AM
Well.....right now, Live 4 is all hype (not a bad thing) and little substance, except for the Live 4 visual tour on the Ableton website. Let's wait until we all have a chance to test drive the Live 4 beta before we announce the demise of ACID, shall we? I would like to see Sony get going on ACID 5 though, 2 years between release's, is an eternity, in the software biz. I know Vegas gets all the glamour & glory, as well it should, but it seems like ACID has become the lonely stepchild to Sony's other media software, as of late. Billy Buck |
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Subject:RE: Ableton Live 4... ACID's death?!!!
Reply by: dabb
Date:6/14/2004 10:47:14 AM
When you really think about it, two years between releases could very well mean the end of the line for Acid. Let’s face it, Sony sells camcorders not synths, so they push Vegas. A lot has happened in the digital audio domain in the last couple of years and Acid was not a part of it. I know there are a lot of die hard’s out there that love Acid, I’m one of them, but hey! reality check, and it may be time to move on…. Now what about all my acidized wav’s ?? Just my two cent…! dabb |
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Subject:RE: Ableton Live 4... ACID's death?!!!
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:6/14/2004 11:20:44 AM
Excuse me... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Whew. OK, I'm done... You know, I'll never get over all this speculation about "ACID's demise". Take a long hard look at the whole suite of apps from Sony and tell me that if one was eliminated the whole thing wouldn't collapse. Because then I'd laugh. Hard. That's like saying the elimination of Sound Forge wouldn't be a big deal. Maybe it's me, but I don't think anyone is looking at the big picture in regards to ACID's features vs. Live's features just in terms of flexibility. For example, Live is a music app, to be sure, but that's all it is. Can Live 4 work with video? No. Can it work with several popular formats such as QuickTime, MPEG, MP3 and Windows Media, even to render to those formats? No. Taking this into context, will those looking for a multimedia production solution choose Live over ACID (especially if they already have Vegas and/or Sound Forge)? Doubt it. BTW, I don't find any of Live 4's new features that revolutionary. Looks more like an incremental update than anything. It's just my opinion, but there you have it. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids |
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Subject:RE: Ableton Live 4... ACID's death?!!!
Reply by: rome
Date:6/14/2004 11:43:07 AM
Live 4 or Project 5 depending on who you ask. I'm trying Project 5 but Acid 5 will probably be the thing that kills Acid 4. |
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Subject:RE: Ableton Live 4... ACID's death?!!!
Reply by: nikkeinomura
Date:6/14/2004 11:46:30 AM
I'm talkin about Live 4 as a wonderful app for audio, not in multimedia environments. for manipulating loop based tracks or live sets Live kicks tha ass... that's the facts! The automations are wonderful and dumb-proof. The only thing that IMHO has to be improved is the arrange mode in witch ACID is still better but the FXs are great... 2 years of development in software biz are lightyears... I don't know if I can wait for so long time... that's the future of electronic music production easy as a groovebox but without all the limitations of them. Thanx very much to everyone... I'll think about it... |
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Subject:RE: Ableton Live 4... ACID's death?!!!
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:6/14/2004 1:45:39 PM
Enrico, bear with me a moment, would you? ACID is a loop-based music production tool that works quite well when included in a multimedia production environment, which is why it's a great addition to have if you work in such an environment. Musicians also benefit from it in that they can collaborate with others in said environment. You seem to be negating this fact by just looking at the musical aspect of it all. Don't forget there are those who use ACID in the capacity of looping audio, not just music. We're almost talking different markets here. One is geared towards music production (Live) while another is geared towards multimedia production (ACID). ACID is the choice of many a developer when it comes to things like Flash and PowerPoint. Again, it's like comparing apples and oranges when it really comes down to it. Which is why I don't see what the big deal is. You sure as hell won't see me switching to Live anytime soon. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids |
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Subject:RE: Ableton Live 4... ACID's death?!!!
Reply by: SHTUNOT
Date:6/14/2004 2:03:08 PM
>>>2 years of development in software biz are lightyears... <<< Agreed...But that was at the hands of sofo+they were in the process of selling to sony. So the time it would take is forgiveable. Don't ALL of you forget that we got REWIRE as a "update" and NOT a "upgrade". From 4.0b to 4.0c rewire was introduced+some midi/workflow enhancements. That speaks volumes for the integrity of the r&d team. All I can say is LEARN HOW TO BUDGET YOUR MONEY!!! You don't have to take out a loan to own all these apps compared to buying a full blown protools tdm HD accel whatever system. Think about it. Ed. |
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Subject:RE: Ableton Live 4... ACID's death?!!!
Reply by: kbruff
Date:6/14/2004 3:55:24 PM
For music production ACID is kinda falling behind. Sure it works very well, but now with other windows apps such as Abelton Live / Reason / FLSTUDIO / Cubase SX / Sonar there is some need for improvement. Honestly I have used most of the popular midi seqeuncing tools.. I use ACID and FLSTUDIO more often though. Further more FLSTUDIO once investigated can truly do some awesome stuff, on the surface it is kinda boring, but soon after it makes ACID look like really old and boring. There needs to be V5 with more insertable effects, and direct VST inserts on your VST instruments. Furthermore it should be sold with working VST instruments (like FLSTUDIO does). |
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Subject:RE: Ableton Live 4... ACID's death?!!!
Reply by: MyST
Date:6/14/2004 3:57:59 PM
"...Acid 5 will probably be the thing that kills Acid 4." Agreed. Mario |
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Subject:RE: Ableton Live 4... ACID's death?!!!
Reply by: Spirit
Date:6/14/2004 5:10:51 PM
I find FL Studio and AcidPro to be a perfect combination... FL Studio is hopeless with audio and Acid is hopeless with MIDI :-) But FL Studio is a great tool to make loops, and Acid is a great place to use them ! |
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Subject:RE: Ableton Live 4... ACID's death?!!!
Reply by: Spirit
Date:6/14/2004 5:14:55 PM
And I don't think Ableton4 will kill Acid. What's been happening for two years now is the "death by a thousand cuts" by all sorts of software which is constantly being upgraded and enhanced. With Acid we're up to about cut number 872, and Ableton4 is one more cut... well, perhaps a vicous slashing blow. |