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SeanC wrote on 5/13/2004, 6:13 PM
I had something similar happen, until I realized I was not returning from the face properly. Is it possible that you are bringing it back to zero before the region has finished? try adding a volume point following the end of the region, and a second one. Have it come back to zero between those two.

I tried a linear fade and could not reproduce what you're seeing.
PipelineAudio wrote on 5/13/2004, 6:47 PM
Im not talking about the envelope fades, those work fine, Im tallking about the event fades
stakeoutstudios wrote on 5/14/2004, 2:05 AM
never seen this... are you sure you're not smoking crack pipe?
bgc wrote on 5/14/2004, 8:08 AM
Nope I've never seen this. I vote for the crack ;)
Post the project someplace so others can try it to see if they get it too.
B.
SonyEPM wrote on 5/14/2004, 11:51 AM
You are expecting linear to be log?
PipelineAudio wrote on 5/14/2004, 12:25 PM
no, but log does it too

its even easier anyone can do this.

Make a 1 k sine wave at like -12 dB

grab the right end of an event and draw a fade. You will hear it gradually fade out, then BANG silence
bgc wrote on 5/14/2004, 3:05 PM
Not I said the Fly...
Sorry, it's working as advertised for me.

Aaron, when it comes to digital workstations you're like that cartoon character that has the little cloud following him around, raining on him all the time. You just can't get no break dude!
If it were me I'd go back to analog ;)
B.
PipelineAudio wrote on 5/14/2004, 3:31 PM
heh

my god Im NUTZ!!!!

I am going to reder a wave file of what happens on my system

hey, you should see my luck with cars! A popular four speed supplier, never had ONE return in 7 years, sent me a tranny and the reverse seal leaked!

I should just stick to riding my bike
PipelineAudio wrote on 5/14/2004, 6:35 PM
OK just rendered one, and scope it. It drops to -58dB then BANG NOTHING

Im telling you log, linear, doesnt matter take a look
bgc wrote on 5/15/2004, 10:24 AM
I did the same thing with rendering and I'm not seeing it.
I used a 44.1kHz 24bit mono 1kHz tone and faded it such that the
last bit of the fadeout was at the peak of the sine wave.
Didn't hear any click.
PipelineAudio wrote on 5/15/2004, 11:05 AM
no click just a sudden jump from around -60dB to -infinity
PipelineAudio wrote on 5/15/2004, 11:37 AM
Looking at this in APWin, there is no audio information between -58dB and -inf dB

Maybe my machine has some sort of denormal bug or something maybe thats whats making so much trouble?
bgc wrote on 5/15/2004, 2:37 PM
I also created a DC wave file at 192kHz sample rate (lots of steady samples). I applied a slow linear fade and definitely got what I expected.

Hey, if you're not hearing a click what difference does it make!? ;)
PipelineAudio wrote on 5/15/2004, 3:20 PM
because it drops off to silince instantly and is driving my customers nuts
bgc wrote on 5/15/2004, 5:13 PM
Well I guess it's time to use envelope fades then.
stakeoutstudios wrote on 5/16/2004, 1:36 AM
I know it's a stupid question, but I presume there are NO plugins on the track or buss in question? No comps, gates etc?

Jason
ibliss wrote on 5/16/2004, 2:29 AM
...it does sound like the pre-plugin nature of the event fades causing problems...
PipelineAudio wrote on 5/16/2004, 3:43 AM
UGH, the stock track plugins are on every track I ever tried, not that they were in use but who knows?

Stupid STUPID me..Ill try again tomorrow with them removed
heinz3110 wrote on 5/16/2004, 3:49 AM
...Ehh..uhmm...had to read this tread more carefully I suppose... ;) ..if the envelopes are doing fine but the eventfades do not,I presume it has nothing to do with the soundcard(s) as I 've mentioned.

>Hey,you sure this isn't related to the soundcard(s) itself ? Say,if you create that 1khz tone (you spoke about)and make that typical fade in Sound Forge, does this gate-ish behaviour occur too? If so ....but I reckon you allready tried that ,right?<

Gerard.
stakeoutstudios wrote on 5/16/2004, 11:37 AM
Pipe, if you're not using those plugs - you should remove them regardless. I'm fairly certain they'll be eating CPU, if nothing else that's not good!
LarryP wrote on 5/16/2004, 11:53 AM
Pipe,

Your not smoking anything, I was able to duplicate the problem in V5 with a 60s wav file of tone. I made a 60s fade and the level went from about -60db to infinity in the last 30ms., or so, as shown on the master mixer meter. Track level fx were bypassed and no master fx. Project was set to 44.1 and 16 bit. You can slow down the motion to .06 to see this better.

Pipe: Right click on the event and try the 4th fade type, it seems to be better behaved.

Larry
bgc wrote on 5/16/2004, 12:01 PM
Don't trust the meter when testing this, do a render and check that with sound forge or another editor and check with your ears.
LarryP wrote on 5/16/2004, 12:48 PM
Ok rendered the same 60sec. fade to a 44.1 16 bit wave file and checked with Goldwave. It shows that the last 30db of the fade happens in 85ms. That's pretty fast and in line with the mixer master meter.

Larry
PipelineAudio wrote on 5/16/2004, 1:01 PM
Yeah something is goofy with the vegas metering on this end too, vegas meter NEVER shows anything under -58dB even when the eter is set to 96

Larryp glad to see someone else is having this issue!

bgc I will render one with no track plugs, and check it for you on APWin today