"the monitors are a millisecond behind"

How did you measure the millisecond latency?
Is one millisecond a problem? That's considerably good latency, everyone wishes they had a 1 mS latency.

Could you please further explain what you mean by...

??? Milliseconds behind ???

I am working with a setting of 175 milliseconds as a baseline average and so far that works for me (from within the MAUDIO FW410 software control panel).

Regards,
Kevin
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wow, a whole millisecond
that must be totally anoying

"wow, a whole millisecond
that must be totally anoying"

Yeah, almost as annoying as someone talking to you from 3 feet away. You know it takes a little over 3 mS for someone standing 3 feet away from you for the sound to travel from their mouth to your ear? That totally screws me up, because their lips are never in sync with what I'm hearing. I can see how 1 mS would really screw you up then. Damn, that sound card is crap, you better get something more professional, maybe something made by Sound Blaster.

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"wow, a whole millisecond
that must be totally anoying"

Yeah, almost as annoying as someone talking to you from 3 feet away. You know it takes a little over 3 mS for someone standing 3 feet away from you for the sound to travel from their mouth to your ear? That totally screws me up, because their lips are never in sync with what I'm hearing. I can see how 1 mS would really screw you up then. Damn, that sound card is crap, you better get something more professional, maybe something made by Sound Blaster.
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Thanks...

That was my second episode of laughter today.

- Regards,
Kevin
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Glad you enjoyed that, I try to put things in perspective with a little reality check now and then.

" the monitors are a millisecond behind "

behind what?

are we talking input monitoring? in what circumstances?

It takes more than a millisecond for the vocalists voice to even travel to the microphone dependant on positioning!

Are you talking about a voice doubling effect? That's more than a millisecond.

OBVIOUSLY he didn't mean a millisecond behind...

Address his question; not the mistake he made by saying "a millisecond".

labola84, your problem isn't your sound card, or its configuration. It is the design of the way Input Monitoring works in Vegas.

V5 monitors post application only, therefore you will experience the buffer lag neccessary for the audio to be successfully routed through the application.

If you need to hear little or no latency, you will NOT want to use input monitoring and you will have to set up a multi-lateral monitoring situation:

You will want to go in to your sound card's control panel and select monitor mixer for your output option, then raise the level of the sound card's input, where source is, to an appropriate monitoring level.

Guys:

His statement within his question comes across as ignorant to you... but, no one who has recorded with multitrack tape machines or hard disk recorders like the HD24 or the MX2424 would expect the latency thing to be considered "OK" when using an application based scenario for the first time without direct monitoring capabilities and would think something is misconfigured or broken, because ANY audible latency is an unacceptable and unusable monitoring circumstance in the real world of professional recording.

" but, no one who has recorded with multitrack tape machines or hard disk recorders like the HD24 or the MX2424 would expect the latency thing to be considered "OK" when using an application based scenario for the first time without direct monitoring capabilities and would think something is misconfigured or broken, because ANY audible latency is an unacceptable and unusable monitoring circumstance in the real world of professional recording."

You got all of that out of his original post? That must because you're smarter than the rest of us folks, like you seem to think you are. He's had plenty of time to come in and correct himself between posts, if his original post was a mistake. But thanks for coming in and straightening us all out about what he's done in the past, and what he really meant, and what he's use too, and letting us know he's never used a software monitoring system before.

"in the real world of professional recording."

Yeah, none of us know what that "professional" word means, because obviously you're the only professional that comes into these forums. We're still trying to figure out what this red button does when we click on it. Can you help us out with that? Oh yeah, can you tell me how I can remove the vocals out of my Backstreat Boys CD collection? I got Vegas because I wanted to practice singing, and be just like Justin Timerlake, but Justin keeps singing out of tune and it keeps throwing me off, when I'm practicing singing with the rest of the group. I know you can help me out, because you're sooooo much smarter than everyone else, and have recorded with professional tape machines and all those other fancy/dancy studio equipment with the bright flashing buttons. Some day, when I grow up I hope to be just like you. A big studio producer and all, pressing all those buttons. But like everything, I can only aim fot the moon, but sometimes you're only able to make it to the top of the next ant hill......sigh...I can only dream.

****You got all of that out of his original post?*****

Yup, sure did. I got the point, understood it and implemented a solution instead of criticizing a guy for not clearly defining his problem mathmatically.

You overlooked one important point Red, my final statements only referred directly to him from an initial standpoint and was moreso directed towards professionals in general terms.

If people come in here and feel intimidated because of fear of getting ridiculed by intelligent people, they won't get the support that this forum is supposed to provide.

As a school teacher, if you critisize your students when they ask you a question and you don't give them an answer, then you haven't taught them anything except how much they don't like you and/or the subject of discussion.

"As, a school teacher" when a student asks a question, and it doesn't seem to make sense, you further ask them questions to clarify what they are really asking......just like I did in my first post, because obviously there's something they don't understand, otherwise their question would have been more clearly stated. What you don't do is assume, their background, and rephrase the question to what "YOU" think, they're asking. Because, then you go off and answer something else, and the student goes off thinking that's the answer to his original question, when it truly wasn't.

You win.

Your first answer was a snoot, smartass reply and you ridiculed him in your last statement; let me reiterate that for you:

********"the monitors are a millisecond behind"

How did you measure the millisecond latency?
Is one millisecond a problem? That's considerably good latency, everyone wishes they had a 1 mS latency. ***********

I assumed that he was talking about monitoring latency which was occurring only in Vegas and not in Acid or Reason...

I deduced, assumed and gave him an answer with a solution...

...You gave him a question that he probably can not answer and an unnecessary remark which was compounded by every single remaining response.

No wonder he didn't come back and ask the right question.

Sometimes you do really good and sometimes you're a little harsh... that's all I'm saying....

Let's see if my response answered his question.

Geez not another fight on this board! Stop bashing each other!

regarding one salient point however - anything with 'pro' in the product name, inevitably is not. There are many pro's on these forums... and I just wish that they didn't feel they had to do so much name dropping all the time.

Not very pro really, is it?

Jason

"pro" is for productions...

Went to your website where it appears as if you build websites...

Clicked on "audio" tried to listen to the MP3s that you've obviously professionally recorded and voila .... I was taken to "Cannot find server"...

... Now, that's professional .....lol!

But you sure have a cute mug... ;)

"How did you measure the millisecond latency?
Is one millisecond a problem? That's considerably good latency, everyone wishes they had a 1 mS latency."

How was this snooty or smartass? I wanted to know, how he was able to even measure the latency of an input monitor? How do you do that, because I don't know, can you tell me then? That's what I was trying to do, was clarify what he was asking, because I don't know how he even measured input monitor latency. Unless you record to a different source, where one track is recording the direct signal, while the other is recording the monitor input signal. Then you would have to record that recording into Vegas, and see how they time allign. Now if you playback a track, and route the output back to an input and rerecord that track, you can get the latency between output and input, but that's not the same as "input monitor latency" now is it?

"I assumed that he was talking about montoring latency which was occurring only in Vegas and not in Acid or Reason..."

Acid doesn't have input monitoring and I believe Reason doesn't either, because it's not a multi-track application. So I guess you assumed wrong again.

"Now that's professional .....lol! "

You really are a gem. And again, everyone knows the abbeviation for production is "prod.", not "pro". "Pro" is the abbreviation for "Professional", so again the rest of the world is incorrect and you are right again.

I'm not being dragged into this.

Firstly, you stumbled across my web designers site - this is just an old web alias I have. That's certainly not my mug!

My website is www.stakeoutstudios.com and yes the server is down due to hosting problems at the moment.

You know damn well that I run a recording studio for a business, and that that is all I do.

I suppose I should have expected an attempt at a personal attack, it's what you do best. I meant no personal attack on you, merely on the overuse of the term ' I am a pro ' by various people on this forum.

My CV is pretty impressive, but that doesn't mean I have to tout it every two minutes.

Jason

I tell you what. tmrpro, these are the points I have been raising since vegas 1. I got attacked for them

Here it is in the real world in case anyone has any doubts.

1. Shit works a certain way

2. People using multitrack anything in a studio expect it to work a certain way, and are THOROUGHLY confused and consternated if it doesnt work that way.

3. People who are used to working in software either dont have the background of whats supposed to happen, or else don't care and have their own workarounds

4. People who DONT have a background working with softweare just get confused by their perception that the app is broken, they dont know ( nor maybe should they) the workarounds to get a product to appear to work as advertised. Also they dont know the right terms to tell you what the problem is

All this said I believe SF is on the right track, and soon we will have a workable solution

And with that said I wish to god damn hell I could get a system working that will meet my needs so I can get back to work. This shit is KILLING me lately and Im not able to get any work done. I have found repro situations that can point to VERY specific problems and am constantly watching all the manufacturers in question play the blame game

I think its high time an EXCAT specific setup was mentioned at dfferent levels that will work, guaranteed, and from there, that base specific system we can adress any and all new hardware and software introduced scientifically, one piece at a time, and then the blame game can no longer be played

I am soooo friggin fed up with the problems in vegas 4 and vegas 5. I just dont know what to do, and its really taking a nasty toll on me

Come on Red, this isn't about defending yourself.

Face it, your statement was obnoxious. I understand your "to the point" attitude and it doesn't hurt me or help anyone with that degree of an answer.

What he said didn't need to be drilled that way..... You are smart enough to know that he didn't measure 1 millisecond of latency.... that's ridiculous!

Just give the guy a solution.

Kewl pup .... can we move on and be friends?

No defenses necessary. This isn't war just solutions...

You're a pro and I know it and I'm just pro-ducer...lol

:)

Direct monitoring works pretty damn good in Nuendo...

External solutions work perfectly for me.

I've been tracking with an MX 2424 for about 4 years now and it is solid as a rock.

I monitor using the Tascam format TDIF to an O2R VII and I use the Tascam analog input card. It's got a removable SCSI hard drive that I can swap straight into my control room workstation and pull the tascam files right into Nuendo where I can render them and pull em into Vegas.

"Face it, your statement was obnoxious. "

F**k you a**hole, I'm tired of trying to defend myself for your wrong assumptions of my posts. You're a royal pompous ass!!!! I was working with the details he gave us, and wanted to be more informed with what he was experiencing, so I could possibly give him a good solution that pertained to his problem. Yes, I damn well know that 1 mS monitoring latency is not a problem, that's why I asked the question to see how he was measuring it, to better understand what he was really measuring. Maybe that's what he was measuring, and thought it should be "zero latency", and then I would futher explain why 1mS is not much of a concern. I even went on to say, most of us wished for a 1mS monitoring latency, to further ensure him that this was not a problem. You totally misread the entire replies, which was to figure out "what was he really asking?" Now you want to turn it around on everyone that replied and blame me for being the leader. Fine I'll be the leader, better than following a pompous ass who reads a whole lot of wrong assumptions into something that is not there. Your advice is NOT a solution, it is misguided suggestions, without even understanding the problem. If you didn't have your head so far up your own ass you would realize that.

Too much coffee, Brian? Or was your 5th grade history class a little out of line?