Quick n' Dirty Survey

SonyEPM wrote on 5/5/2004, 8:03 AM
We'd like to know more about what kind of work you are doing, and how you are doing it. If you have a few moments, please fill this out- 3 simple questions. Thanks!

My most common delivery format is:

My second most common delivery format is:

My workflow is:

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Example:

My most common delivery format is: DVD

My second most common delivery format is: MP3

My workflow typically is: I record bands using an Echo Layla soundcard, usually 8 inputs at a time, plus overdubs. I mix the tunes myself with help from the band leader. I also shoot music videos with a PD170 DV camera. I capture with a DSR-11 deck. I edit the music video myself, the band approves, I encode with Vegas, I produce the DVD-R masters and have them replicated out of house. I also produce web content for the band website.

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tmrpro wrote on 5/5/2004, 9:01 AM
My most common delivery format is: PM-CD

My second most common delivery format is: DLT

My workflow typically is: I develop songs through pre-production by sequencing using either an Ensoniq TS-10 keyboard workstation, Sonar Producer, ACID (GigaStudio for sampled sounds) or a combination of any/all of these. This defines tempos and creates elements that may or may not be used to perform with and gives me the ability to show a working demo to the players and write my charts. If we're using a band, the charts are hand written number charts. If we're using orchestral players, the charts are written in Finalé by hyperscribing or midi file import from the specified pre-production track. I then import a 2 mix of the "play-along" tracks and a click track to a Tascam MX-2424 Hard Disk recorder. This recorder is rackmountable and easily mobile for recording at different studios or location environments and also works really well at the TmR Productions studio. It has Auto Input, punch on the fly and no noticable latency across 24 tracks.

At my location it is output digitally to a Yamaha O2R. The analog inputs are used in conjunction with an array of tube mic-pres and a mackie 1604 mixer.

When tracking is finished, all tracks are rendered to length in the 2424 and transfered VIA ethernet network to our 5.1 Mix, Master & Authoring suite. Tracks are brought up in Vegas where mixing is done and completed. Mixes are brought back to Vegas where mastering is completed and a PM-CD w/PQ is generated.

If 5.1 surround is done, then the project is authored in Discwelder or Sonic and completed there and output on DLT.
sstillwell wrote on 5/5/2004, 9:16 AM
My most common delivery format is: CD-R

My second most common delivery format is: WMA

My workflow is: I record live events (bands, symphony) with a pair of M-Audio Delta soundcards, mix in Vegas, master EQ in Har-Bal, maximize volume in Sound Forge, burn to CD-R or render for Internet delivery in Vegas. Replication is done out of house. Currently no video.
kbruff wrote on 5/5/2004, 9:21 AM
My most common delivery format is:

--- CD Audio

My second most common delivery format is:

--- MP3 320

My workflow is:

I have 4 digital turntables (Stanton STR150) with line level outputs...

I basically record and restore audio from phonographic material.

I record all 8 tracks directly into Vegas and then afterwards edit the audio tracks via Sonic Foundry - (Markers/regions/extract) -- then edit save and produce CDA via (CD Architect)

Also I use Vegas to stitch together chopped pieces of live recordings for different applications.

Furthermore Vegas is used to build DVD Audio Compilations, with nifty screen menus.

Use of Vegas / Acid for builing more complicated samples and loops.

Essentially Vegas is the primary interface for multi-track recording and mixing.

There is also a popular need for DVD picture CD's, especially for professional presentations with complicated materials.

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Thanks for asking,
Kevin
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Cold wrote on 5/5/2004, 9:59 AM
My primary delivery is cd

My secondary is dvd (for bigger storage, not video.)

My standard workflow:

Preproduction: Track scratch vox and guitar to a click track, if straight timing to the vegas metronome, if not I use a drum machine to program tempo changes. Client normally breaks for a week or so to demo and trouble shoot the scratch tracks getting the drummer to try the tempo etc.

Tracking: Track drums with approx. 10 mics, simultaneously tracking bass(di), scratch rhythm guitar(v amp), scratch keys(di) and scratch vox. (Total approx. 16 tracks simultaneous). The routing: mic - pre (some outboard some not) - 02 r - motu 2408 (digital ins) - vegas 3. (neither vegas 4 nor 5 track accurately with my gear).

Mixing: Mix in vegas but pull stems out to 02r for summing, some out board etc. Mix is tracked back into vegas. Mastering is done in soundforge.

Note: Starting to switch over to cubase due to incompatabilities with vegas 4 and 5. Would prefer not to but.....

Steve S.
StevenBell wrote on 5/5/2004, 11:21 AM
My most common delivery format is: CD-R

My second most common delivery format is: MP3 via email

My workflow is:
Basic tracks are recorded using two delta 1010's into SONAR 3. Overdubs follow and then mastering (done myself). Videos of family functions and live performances are shot with a Sony TRV50 and captured via Pyro DV PCI 1394 card, assembed/mixed in Vegas and DVD authored ini DVD Architect.

I am moving in the direction of DVD audio and plan to provide surround versions of projects (less the LFE channel).

Steven Bell
Owner/Engineer, Top of the Hill Music

PipelineAudio wrote on 5/5/2004, 11:54 AM
My most common delivery format is: FTP ( my mastering engineer will pull files off of my ftp then send them back when he is done

My second most common delivery format is: tie between Masterlink discs and 1/4" 2 track analog 30ips

My workflow is:

I record bands up to 24 tracks at a time (in practice, in real use havent used more than 19 with this system simultaneously). Soundcard hardware sends input to output so I can monitor on a console. This kills autoinput possibilities but is a necessary evil to achieve some degree of reliability. Stereo out of vegas goes to my first spdif out, which goes to channels 25 and 26 of the console so I can mix between recorded and recording material at ease. All recording, editing, most effecting and mixing is done in Vegas. Masterlink compatiable discs are made at the end of the session, along with 2 track waves. These are sometimes dumped to a 2 track analog machine as well.

After this its the mastering engineer's problem


cosmo wrote on 5/5/2004, 12:03 PM
Most common delivery format: WAV, MP3
Second most common format: WMV, MPG-2

Workflow: Console to card for live mic tracking, usually only one track at a time as I'm not running a studio where bands come in, it's just me. Tracking is usually done unfortunately in Cubase rewired to Reason. I also like to use Kontakt and Absynth VST instruments so again, stuck. After everything is tracked I render raw tracks for final mix in Vegas, either in 2.0 or 5.1 modes. Mastering is done in Wavelab.

All video is shot on a Sony PD-150, captured in Vegas, edited in Vegas and rendered as MPG-2 for DVD and WMV for web.
Foreverain4 wrote on 5/5/2004, 12:42 PM
1st format: 24 bit wav files for mastering engineer (usually data dvd)
2nd format: cdr


workflow
i track to an alesis HD24 from a 56 input amek console, and via outboard mic pres. export the tracks via fireport to vegas to edit and do some processing with my uad-1. mix in the box for the most part, but sometimes i take 24 tracks out via motu 2408 to HD24 to amek just cause i can. most of the time it is not worth the trouble. with the motu, i can also use my lexicon reverb on the spidif in and outs. i just record the reverb to a track once i get it how i want it, then i render it with the rest of the stuff. i have a tascam DM-24 and i am hoping to use that with vegas 5 (havent upgraded yet) as a control surface when all the kinks are worked out.... i sometimes will use acid to create drum and percussion parts. once i am finished mixing, i render to 24bit 44.1k (same sample rate all the way through) , pull it in to sound forge to trim up, then, will dither and burn a cd to listen to, or burn a dvd to send to be mastered....

i think that is it..


lynn

bgc wrote on 5/5/2004, 1:44 PM
My most common delivery format is: PCM-CD

My second most common delivery format is: CD-ROM of WAV/AIF files

My workflow typically is: For Karmacoda, I typically begin writing writing/arranging music in ACID where I record and create loops, record instrumentation (non-looped) and scratch vocal tracks. After I define tempos and song keys I will export the loops and any usable scratch tracks and hand transfer the mix as it is up to that point into Vegas - an amazingly arduous process. In Vegas I will record vocal/musical overdubs (sometimes going back to ACID, often times using Sound Forge for editing/cleanups). Live instrumentation (guitars/drums/big stuff) is recorded in my larger recording/practice live studio. Recordings are trasferred between the studios using CD-ROMs and Vegas Projects / Wave files. I will also perform overdubs and vocals in my mixing studio. (The two studios are in separate ends of San Francisco.)
After recording is nominally completed I will continue arranging and begin mixing within Vegas using all native effects and Vegas mixing tools. The output will be a render to disc file of varying resolution depending on whether it's for listening (16-bit CD) or final mastering (24-bit CD-ROM).
Actually a lot of this is on our showcase page above! :)
B.
drbam wrote on 5/5/2004, 3:25 PM
My most common delivery format is: PCM CD

My second most common delivery format is: 24 bit wav files on CDR

My workflow is: Mine is a private project studio. Typically I record 1-4 tracks at a time (generally no more than 2 performers) using outboard pres into a Layla 24 into Vegas. Monitoring and some mixing is done through a Mackie 32/8. Projects usually end up mixing or rendering down 15-30 tracks. I use some outboard verbs and delays which are recorded back into Vegas on separate tracks then rendered into the final 2 trk mix. I also use Sound Forge for some destructive editing/processing but more and more I'm doing most everything in Vegas. I used to use Acid to create some drum and percussion grooves but I found I can do what I need of this in Vegas. I haven't even opened Acid in months. Most projects are mastered at a dedicated mastering studio.

drbam
Geoff_Wood wrote on 5/5/2004, 3:41 PM
My most common delivery format is:
CD-R redbook

My second most common delivery format is:
CD-R WMV

My workflow is:

Audio1 - record multitrack audio via 24.8 (headphone mixes direct from mixer). Source media editing where necessary in SF7. Mixing in Vegas and final assembly/mastering tweaks in CDA5.

Audio2 - Play midi files in separate midi app. Record into Vegas. Add vocals, etc. Would

Video - Transfer DV or analoue video to Vegas, tidy up audio, render to WMV (was AVI) on CD-R.

geoff
Drey wrote on 5/6/2004, 9:23 AM
My most common delivery format is: 24-bit/44.1kHz stereo wave file mixdown

My second most common delivery format is: 16-bit/44.1kHz stereo wave file to CD or WMA format

My workflow is: I record stereo wave files (max. 2 inputs at a time) into a Delta 1010 soundcard. All sources are either keyboards or samplers. Occassionally will track mono mic sources into the Delta. I do all the drum programming in Vegas using one shots lined up to a template drum groove sample for feel. 1, 2, or 4 bar drum grooves are then rendered with effects to a new 24-bit loop. All tracking and mixing is done in Vegas only. Mixes are either burned to audio CD from the timeline, or are rendered as 24-bit data files for CD-R backup.

Once in a while I capture DV footage via firewire to edit home videos. I then render to MPEG-2 format, change the file header to video CD using TMPEG tools, and use Nero to burn a video CD with high quality picture (720x480). If only Vegas allowed burning of non-compliant video CD's.
Rednroll wrote on 5/6/2004, 9:47 AM
My most common delivery format is: DAT

My second most common delivery format is:CDR

My workflow is (which one? I do music and advertisements, 2 different animals, along with audio system design)

Let's do MUSIC
1. Create midi tracks in Opcode's Vision
2. If audio loops are needed or I want to use virtual synths, I sync Acid and Vision.
3. Record midi tracks as audio into Acid (sometimes I do this in Vegas since I can record multiple tracks at once in Vegas,where I can only do 1 track at a time in Acid, but alot of times there may be a tempo change within a song, so I have to do it in Acid. This is a Pita
4. Export audio tracks from Acid, import into Vegas.
5. Record additional live instruments and vocals, usually not more than 2 tracks at one time.
6. Edit in Vegas
7. Mix. I have dual echo gina cards. Gives me 20 outs. I therefore have 10 stereo buses in my mixer section for each stereo pair. I create subgroup mixes within Vegas and each subgroup gets routed to a seperate bus where each bus is routed to 2 faders on my 03D mixer, which I then use to control the levels of each subgroup. (ie drum mix on bus 1, bus 1 routed to soundcard outputs 1&2, outputs 1&2 connected to 03D channels 1&2, Channels 1&2 routed to 03D master fader out.
8. Mix from master fader out of 03D gets routed to DAT recorder, and Spdif in back to 2 tracks in vegas.

9. Mastering: DAT>TC Finalizer >SoundForge and Spectra Lab RTA
10. Record into Sound Forge, add additional plugin processing.
11. Once an albums worth of material is complete assemble tracks in Vegas, add final fades, burn DAO CDR with CD text information.....oops can't do that.
12. Render assembled tracks in Vegas as one huge .Wav file.
13. Open huge .wav file in Nero, redo CD track ID's. Get pissed off, because it takes Nero so long to do a screen draw of such a large file.
14 Start cursing Sony for not having CDtext in Vegas!!!
15. Type in CDtext within Nero
16. Burn master CDr in Nero with CDtext
17. Curse again about Sony not having CD text in Vegas or CD architect.
18. Come to these forums frustrated because of no CDtext in Vegas.
19. Take it out on some poor newbie, who just wants to remove the Vocals from his Eminem CD he just downloaded from Kaza, using his cracked version Sound Forge.
20. Have some other jerk come in here and tell me how I need to be nice to this Kaza Kid newbie, because I was once a newbie.
21. Tell him to shut the f**k up, because you don't have any idea of the hoops I just jumped through to put CDtext on my last project.
22. Curse at Sony some more for not having CDtext in Vegas, yet allowing extraction from CD and Save to .MP3, so another Kaza Kid newbie can download some more pirated songs and then come in these forums and ask "how do I remove vocals using Sound Forge"....."I'm a newbie, I just downloaded Sound Forge from Kaza along with the new Nelly CD, and I want to remove the vocals, so I can be a big rapstar like Nelly too.
23. Go back to step 18 and continuously loop.
kbruff wrote on 5/6/2004, 10:27 AM
Rednroll -- u are one interesting person. I dunno what to say about you, it is obvious how much you know, and how keen you are at intserting your comments.

-- I got some good laughs from your post,
Kevin
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tmrpro wrote on 5/6/2004, 12:02 PM
That's freakin' hilarious!

:))))
Rednroll wrote on 5/6/2004, 12:06 PM
Well, I'm thinking SonyEPM put this survey up in the Vegas Video and Vegas Audio forums, so Sony can make improvements on users workflow. If you look at my workflow, hopefully they can see some of the hoops I have to jump through.

In summary here's what I would like to elliminate these hoops.
1. Increase Acid's midi functionality, so that I won't have to keep using Vision
2. Allow Acid to record more than 1 track at a time, like Vegas does so I won't have to make so many seperate passes to lay off my midi tracks as audio.
3. Allow me an easier method to get my Acid Audio tracks into Vegas, by either having Acid be able to save as a .VEG file, or have Vegas be able to open a .ACD file, instead of having to render as seperate .Wav files, and then import each on them seperately into Vegas.

4.Give Vegas the ability to write the CDtext information to a CDR. You can see all the frustrating hoops I go through there for something as simple as CDtext. Opening a huge .Wav file in Nero is very frustrating. You place that file in Nero and click on it, and it takes more than 15 minutes for Nero to draw the waveform. Not to mention, Nero's waveform editor makes it hard to find the start and stop points of the songs to redo the CD track ID placement. You hit the zoom tool in Nero, so you can better locate the beginning of a song and it again takes another 5 minutes to redraw the waveform. You do that for a 12 Song CD and you can waste up to 2 hours of additional time, where a better place to do it is in Vegas, where I should be able to click a checkbox just like in Nero, and the CDtext get's written to the Disc.

I bet if the people who use Vegas as a Video editor had to jump through these hoops to write "TEXT" to their video they would be complaining too. But NO, they get that ability, along with special Vegas fonts, new scrolling text features, 3D text, Motion moving text...etc. I get a bunch of bullsh** hoops to jump through. Why!? The UI is already there within Vegas, so that doesn't seem like the problem? I've been complaining about this for a few years now, maybe someone will see why I'm complaining.

I'm glad you guys found that entertaining, I find it's always better to look at the lighter side of frustrations, although it's pretty much on the money.
MJhig wrote on 5/6/2004, 1:48 PM
Red I absolutely agree CD Text in Vegas is the way to go but here's the work around that I use that may save you some time if Nero does the same as Roxio which I use.

Load the "one long assembled .wav" in Sound Forge >

create Regions for each track and name them as you want the CD Text to display. >

extract Regions to a separate folder. Be sure to uncheck "Use long filenames" or you'll get the directory path in the name. >

Open Roxio, drill to that folder, select all and add to the burn list. If you don't do this immediately you will have to sort by date to get the order back as Windows will sort by name.

Now all the tracks are in order and named ready to burn. Roxio uses the filename to write the CD Text.

Burn > now I have extra time to answer "Remove Vocals" questions.

MJ
Rednroll wrote on 5/6/2004, 3:09 PM
Thanks MJ,
Actually probably a better solution is one that Roger74 posted awhile back for me. He wrote a script, that would allow the Track IDs in Vegas to get saved to a seperate cuesheet, with the long wave file, that should make it so the Track ID's get saved with the file and will be recognized by other CD burning software. Better, but still an unnecessary additional process in your workflow. I'll have to read up on how to use the scripting features in Vegas and try this out. Maybe instead of scripting, Sony could open up the entire source code to Vegas and let users write all our own features?

Here's that post:
http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=19&MessageID=271088

Sorry, didn't mean to get this thread sidetracked so much.
H2000 wrote on 5/6/2004, 3:20 PM
My most common delivery format is: 24bit/44.1k WAV file(s)

My second most common delivery format is:CD

My workflow is:

I am a composer/songwriter - all ideas are generated in ACID where I record my own loops and one shots. Then I manually transfer the individual tracks to Vegas, recreating the ACID mix in Vegas. Next, I record vocals, live drums, etc., and do all final mixing and rendering using native effects in Vegas.
RiRo wrote on 5/6/2004, 3:25 PM
My most common delivery format is CD

My second most common delivery format is either mp3 or minidisk, they run pretty close.

My workflow.

I do radio production. I get the copy off my fax, and hunt down the sounds and music I will need. I lay down the voice in bits. The music is run in the top track, the voice bits (which may just be the copy broken up or may include bits with effects. The effects are done in Forge) are layered in two tracks. The special sounds (door closing, etc.) are mixed on the bottom track.

I render and either burn a CD, or email an mp3, or it goes on a minidisc.

RiRo
doctorfish wrote on 5/6/2004, 9:30 PM
My most common delivery format is audio CD.

The second most is mp3 via ftp so the client can check the work.

Workflow: Most of what I do is voiceover so I'll use Acid to make a rhythm bed and for midi and such. I'll bounce these tracks into Vegas to add more music and the voice. Ususally I'll record the voice first as it will set the length and the music will then be done to match. So I guess my actual workflow would be Voice->Acid->Vegas.

Dave
stakeoutstudios wrote on 5/7/2004, 3:09 AM
My most common delivery format is: CD

My second most common delivery format is: 24bit WAVs on data CD

My workflow typically is: I record rock / folk / indie / punk / metal bands using an Echo Layla soundcard, usually 8 inputs at a time, plus overdubs. All these inputs are recorded in an excellent acoustic environment, with good mics and excellent mic preamps.

I monitor through an analogue board, but mix in Vegas.

I average betweeen 19 and 45 tracks, doing much submixing in Vegas using the busses. I use four Universal Audio UAD1 cards, and their plugins account for the majority of the mix. I also use plugins by Waves, Sonic Timeworks and the Sony plugins included in Vegas. My mixes are often previewed through some approximate mastering settings on the master buss.

larry-peter wrote on 5/7/2004, 2:11 PM
Wow. Thanks for caring.
Most common delivery format is Sony Digital Betacam

2nd most - MP3

I mix television and radio spots in a post production facility. Some original music composition for the spots as well. Typically, for TV, I'll get production audio as wav files and a WMV from a Media 100 844/x over our internal network. Record voice overs through a Layla 24 into Vegas. Sound Forge if necessary for noise reduction on location tracks. Mix in Vegas. Render 48k WAVs and send back to the Media 100.
For music composition I'll use Sonar for midi sequencing and recording then import those tracks into Vegas. Add live musicians/vocalists in Vegas, then mix down to either WAV for the 844/x (TV) or MP3 for radio distribution.