Subject:Funny thing about VSTi and DLS

Posted by: Spheris

Date:3/27/2004 12:28:10 PM

been playing around with the onboard sony dls synth and extreme sample converter.

The dls synth is superior latency and sound quality wise.
take a try for yourself if you have the chance..take say a halion or kontakt sample set and convert to dls and load it up and run it - with or without plugins.

I was a little shocked at what I found, almost no limit on sample size (compared with kontakt at least) and almost perfect response and export unlike what I was getting with either kontakt or halion in most cases.

A bit tip of the hat to the developers for that. Just made my day.

Subject:RE: Funny thing about VSTi and DLS

Reply by: plastique

Date:3/28/2004 3:58:34 AM

i think it's nice , ... but surely far from accurate .
you'd have to be very optimistic to be able to compare it to commercially available samplers .

anyway it's good that it's there ;-)

Subject:RE: Funny thing about VSTi and DLS

Reply by: Spheris

Date:3/28/2004 2:23:59 PM

Sure, its basically a rompler, but them again so are most of the commercial samplers, with the exception of maybe kontakt and halion and even at that. I'm not seeing much more than the usual collections re-issued with them.

But for what it is and as a "freebie" built in - exceptionally good for what its supposed to do.

Subject:RE: Funny thing about VSTi and DLS

Reply by: pwppch

Date:3/28/2004 5:15:59 PM

>>but surely far from accurate
Accurate in what way?

Peter

Subject:RE: Funny thing about VSTi and DLS

Reply by: Spheris

Date:3/28/2004 6:07:21 PM

Peter I would say ignore the accuracy statement, there's no lack of accuracy in the converts done from the kontakt library into dls banks and run from acid (i despise vst if you have not noticed) or in the output from the dls synth to renders. excellent built in tool - never say i do not give props where they deserve to go.

now about dxi for Version 5, too late to request?
I'll take stability over gee whiz factor everytime

Subject:RE: Funny thing about VSTi and DLS

Reply by: plastique

Date:3/28/2004 6:09:46 PM

i loaded a few horns samples (converted from a demo from sam's)
and the sound was very fine when played one note at a time , but when
playing faster there were artifacts and the timing wasn't there anymore.
maybe it has something to do with buffering , i don't know ... i just had a look, the sample instruments are from 1-3 MB while the samples used are around 500 kb.
i thought the dls sampler would handle them as well like it handles the gm bank which comes with acid , but it doesn't.
given these inst/sample sizes i expected it to behave with somewhat more juice. :-)

Subject:RE: Funny thing about VSTi and DLS

Reply by: Spheris

Date:3/29/2004 12:23:48 AM

Have to wonder what that is exactly - the kontakt electric guitar is roughly 160mb alone and runs fine here with about 800mb more of dls converted samples alongside, usually run about a 1.2 gb sample set at a given time here but i doubt that's the norm for most people.

maybe a memory limit after all?

Subject:RE: Funny thing about VSTi and DLS

Reply by: plastique

Date:3/29/2004 4:02:46 AM

it turned out to be a bug with the drivers of my midi interface , sorry for the inconveniences .
all fine now :-)
and you're right , it's indeed fun being able to load sounds with these dimensions into it.
i'm sure i am going to use it now more often.

Subject:RE: Funny thing about VSTi and DLS

Reply by: DKeenum

Date:3/29/2004 9:39:47 AM

Hey guys,
I've been folling this thread and , to say the least, I'm very interested... but a little confused. How do I convert a sample to dls? Do I need kontact or hailon or can I do it in Sound Forge?

Subject:RE: Funny thing about VSTi and DLS

Reply by: Spheris

Date:3/29/2004 11:21:38 AM

http://www.extranslator.com/

or awave, but the translator is much more powerful and the built in editor beats most sample editors Ive found fo far

Subject:RE: Funny thing about VSTi and DLS

Reply by: DKeenum

Date:3/29/2004 1:18:00 PM

I downloaded awave. The demo is essentially fully functional.

Subject:RE: Funny thing about VSTi and DLS

Reply by: Spheris

Date:3/29/2004 1:42:23 PM

If you find you have any trouble or problems in conversions, hit me at my mail at sphericalsoundworks@msn.com and I'll try to get you along with it.

I had some trouble with some at first, but figured out some of the weirder points as it went along

Subject:RE: Funny thing about VSTi and DLS

Reply by: plastique

Date:4/3/2004 12:18:40 PM

i just converted the conexant gm library that came with my gigastudio96 (long ago) with extreme sample translator and am using these now instead of the standard gm set .
beautiful :-)

Subject:RE: Funny thing about VSTi and DLS

Reply by: jtxx000

Date:4/3/2004 6:47:50 PM

Is there a (free) program that converts wav files to dls files?