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Subject:Making a song kareoki?
Posted by: Archie
Date:3/21/2004 2:33:00 AM
I have a song ive extracted from a cd, and im wondering if SF can mute the voice but keep the instramentals intact on on the song, so i can sing to the music instead of having the voice there? Preciate it. |
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Subject:RE: Making a song kareoki?
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:3/21/2004 10:14:31 AM
Short answer: No, simply because since vocals typically share frequencies with other instruments/sounds. If you eliminate those frequencies, you obviously hobble the other instruments as well. HTH, Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids |
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Subject:RE: Making a song kareoki?
Reply by: grig
Date:3/22/2004 5:41:06 AM
there's a way you can do it via the channel converter! use the last preset (remove center material)!! as you can see, it can be done, only if your vocal in panned center, and all the other sounds stereo processed! by using some invert phase cancelation, you can remove (some times) your vocal)!! |
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Subject:RE: Making a song kareoki?
Reply by: Rednroll
Date:3/22/2004 2:46:58 PM
Where we due for this post again, or are they coming in more frequently now? |
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Subject:RE: Making a song kareoki?
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:3/22/2004 5:55:30 PM
(This is almost as funny as the "I want ACID to be a multitracker" threads over in the ACID forum.) Maybe those who buy an audio editor should take a basic course in the concept of digital audio? (I'm kidding, of course, but a little education would help us all out here.) Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids |
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Subject:RE: Making a song kareoki?
Reply by: Rednroll
Date:3/22/2004 6:19:34 PM
It seems like clockwork to me sometimes, either it's the "how do I remove vocals" post comes in or, "Sound Forge adds blanks space to the front/back of my .MP3 file". This week we're fortunate enough to have both at the same time. I have a Sound Forge feature request. Instead of having the Sound Forge splash screen, I think there should be these 2 FAQ's splashed on your screen with the explanations behind them. J., Can you add that one to the data base? :-) |
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Subject:RE: Making a song kareoki?
Reply by: ATP
Date:3/22/2004 11:28:54 PM
--------------------- Maybe those who buy an audio editor should take a basic course in the concept of digital audio? --------------------- actually i agree, and i'm not kidding. and it should be preceded by a basic course in Forum Usage, where lesson 1 is "How Do I Use The Search Feature?". really, i have no problems at all with people asking "newbie" questions, but the least they can do is give the impression they've tried to figure it out for themselves first. i know it's so easy to just type it on the boards without doing anything yourself, and as long as people keep answering it will happen. this is why i now refuse to help people who ask questions like in this thread, since i KNOW they are too lazy (or ignorant) to do a simple forum search. ok rant over, carry on. :) |
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Subject:RE: Making a song kareoki?
Reply by: captn_spalding
Date:3/23/2004 4:34:52 AM
I believe Red is correct about this being the first time these two questions appeared back to back in the forum. Like two comets streaking thru the night sky! Me thinks this portends evil times ahead! How about this as a solution: When you create your userid for the forum there is a concise statement about vocal removal, MP3 silences and whatever the equivalent questions are from other forums. Then after you have read (or at least scrolled to the bottom) there are a few questions that must be answered correctly before your userid is finally created - i.e. Can you remove voclas with Sound Forge? YES NO ,,,spalding |
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Subject:RE: Making a song kareoki?
Reply by: Curtsong
Date:3/24/2004 11:13:51 PM
We are all newbies to some degree. I for one have been known to ask a silly question or two. I think the FAQ's could archive these silly questions to save everyone time. Or even perhaps a special archive of the common and "silly" Questions. After all the market is bringing this technology more readily available and affordable for all average Joe's, not just pro's. We all too have some responsibility to help out when we can, although I don't have the time to spend on the forums as much as I'd like, I do try and help out those that I am able. All in all these forums are still a great source of education. |
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Subject:RE: Making a song kareoki?
Reply by: captn_spalding
Date:3/25/2004 6:19:48 AM
It's not called FAQ, but it does exist. Under <Support> in addition to <Forum> there is <Knowledge Bass> Put in "Remave Vocal" and you will find a lucid answer to this question. Time spent - Les than 60 seconds, less time than it takes to create a userid and post the question here. The problem is not the FAQ or Forum or Knowlege Bass, it is the questioner. There is an excellent science teacher in my local High School. He gives out beautifully written assignments. When he gets the inevitable questions from students who have not read the assignment he always gives the same response - "I don't know, I didn't read the assignment either" Every year he is voted by the students as the best teacher in the school! In the future these questions are perhaps better answered with "I don't know, I didn't read the Knowledge Bass either" ...spalding |
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Subject:RE: Making a song kareoki?
Reply by: Curtsong
Date:3/26/2004 12:35:23 AM
Well Said Spalding. |
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Subject:RE: Making a song kareoki?
Reply by: keether
Date:3/26/2004 4:52:38 PM
If I were coming into the SF world for the first time, I wouldn't look for answers in a "Silly Questions" archive. What--me ask a silly question? But I did like Capn S's initiation quiz idea. Some people into music aren't perhaps terrific on the verbal side (present company excepted) and might not know how to scout out information using a logic tree system. The experts are sitting around--why not just ask them? And so it goes...again and again. |
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Subject:RE: Making a song kareoki?
Reply by: kbruff
Date:3/26/2004 5:02:14 PM
The essential expectations of any user of Digital Audio Editor should be... (01) Read feature list (02) Download and the read the manual before you buy it (03) Download trial version - experiment (04) Ask around (if possible) (05) Buy the product and then join the forum Unfortunately so many people just skip the first 3 and then enter the forum with some rather annoying questions. Recently someone asked how could they add in a gunshot sound to a recording. I personally know how to do it with precision, but it was obvious that this person failed to meet items 1 through 3. Therefore I chose to avoid that comment. Furthermore there are many people who want multi-track recording and yet they dont read about what software can do this effectively. The removal of vocals is a common request, the person who desires this should start with a basic Internet search and realize outside of Sound Forge Forums, that it is just impossible with most modern recordings. The other issue of MP3 recordings, again outside of the Sound Forge Forum do a simple Internet search and the answer will show up. The SF user forum has a myriad of skill levels, but there are just too many examples of users who do not apply items 1 through 3. I think this where most of the problems occur. Just my thoughts - Kevin *** |
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Subject:RE: FAQs and Forums
Reply by: farss
Date:4/30/2004 4:43:47 PM
While I agree there are many dumb questions on all of the forums here and it can get VERY frustrating trying to help people, not just when they cannot make the effort to do a search but when you ask for more info to give a better answer and they just repeaet themselves. But as I discovered yesterday you can still come to grief by doing a search and reading all the info that's available. A vetted FAQs or knowledge base is certainly in order if it's kept up to date and that can take a fair amount of someones time. Problems I find doing searches: 1) You get so many hits and 90% of them maybe irrelevant 2) Some of the answers can be plain wrong, the correct one maybe the last one or no one bothered to go back and correct the post. 3) Varying amounts of prior knowledge maybe assumed in the answers. I know we should all do a lot of reading and be aware of our limitations before tackling any project. I know enough to knwo what I shouldn't attempt but I've got the experiece of working many years in many fields. The rapidly changing technology can mean that information is out of date before a book is published so at times the only way to get an answer to even questions as silly as the one that started this is to ask a peer forum, who knows, the technology to do just this maybe just around the corner. I'll relate my problem that I was talking about before as an example: Bought Vegas 5 upgrade, multimedia contoller doesn't work, tried to load new .pref file but wouldn't load. Updated drivers still no go. Aske forum, hlaf the people got it to work no problem and half ahd never got it work and had to fudge a fix. Noticed someone advised worked OK with version 2.x.x drivers but the latest I had were 1.x.x but then again there's a later version of the hardware so maybe he'd got mixed up. Went and searched the V5 manual, it says to check the help file, it gives a link to the manufactures web site, clicked that and hey hang on, different site to the one I was looking on. Seems someone bought the product line but the old site still has out of date drivers available for download. Got 2.x.x drivers and all works as it should. Now I'm far from a newbie to the difficulties of getting things PC based to work and obviously more than one person on the video side has been caught the same way. I'd love to post the full answer somewhere that I know everyone with that problem is likely to find, as it happens the correct answer is buried at the end of a thread. |
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Subject:RE: baffled
Reply by: MJhig
Date:4/30/2004 7:59:25 PM
OK, I give up. You baffled me farss. I'm baffled as to how your multimedia controller problem has anything to do with removing vocals and what search process you used to get here as the last post before yours is dated 3/26/2004. I'm baffled as to how you even found this thread as Karaoke is spelled wrong in the OP's subject line. I'm baffled about the FAQ reference as if you click the FAQ link above and read # 6 you get; Can I remove vocals from a song? As often as this question is asked here I'd be baffled if Sony didn't immediately update the FAQ's question #6 the minute removing vocals was possible and capitalize on the massive revenue such technology would generate. While many of you points I can relate to the above has got my Colombo bone itching. MJ |
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Subject:RE: baffled
Reply by: farss
Date:5/1/2004 5:04:44 AM
Perhaps if you read kbruff's post it might help. Mine had nothing to do with the original topic but then again I think that got lost several posts ago. I'm simply making and illustrating the point that even with a lot of searching and reading the answer can be hard to find. I'm not excusing laziness and I'll admit there's no shortage of it in many of these forums but it's not always the case. I wasn't specifically refering to the Sony FAQs either, just that general searches can give misleading answers. Even within these forums there's a lot of plain wrong information and there's so much of it someone starting out can get mighty confused. Hope I've relieved your itch. Bob. |
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Subject:RE: baffled
Reply by: Rednroll
Date:5/1/2004 7:41:09 AM
I agree Farss. A knowledge base would be incredible useful. I ran into a simple example yesterday trying to answer a post. The user was having problems recording at 24/96 in SF5 and had an RME card installed. I haven't run into this problem myself, but I know it's been frequently posted before, so I did a search and like Farss mentioned you get 90% of information that doesn't help you solve your problem. I found a bunch of posts griping about the problem, users agreeing they had similar problems, but know where within the searches I did, did I find the actual solution. So this is a common problem people have run into in the past and it's probably been responded too many times on these forums, and the Sony QA department has probably had to deal with it. So take that information and put it into a knowledge base. I would be surprised if the Sony QA department doesn't already have a type of a knowledge base for themselves when users call for support and they find common questions. |
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Subject:RE: baffled
Reply by: MJhig
Date:5/1/2004 4:10:23 PM
Hope I've relieved your itch. AHhhhhhhh On the search issue, it would be very helpful if the OP would reply with an acknowledgment that the advice given was the solution. That however is far less than the norm. More often than not the OP poses a one line query and several subsequent posters are left to spend 10 fold the energy typing, researching and calling on experience only to guess at the specs.and workflow just to offer a "possible solution" with the thread ultimately terminating without a response from the OP. It would be difficult to set up a knowledge base using those types of threads. Even the vast Microsoft Knowledge Base given MS's enormous resources and it's ability to real-world, first hand test probably countless hardware/software combinations is difficult at best to navigate to the correct solution. I'll be willing to take on this task for Sony at a very reasonable rate ;-) MJ |
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Subject:RE: Making a song kareoki?
Reply by: babyboy0
Date:5/2/2004 12:04:19 AM
"(04) Ask around (if possible)" Isn't asking in this forum part of "asking around"? Look how far this thread has gotten with all the flaming going on. It would have been much simpler to just ignore the thread and move on. Yes, it's annoying, time and time again, the same questions being asked. It's just as annoying as in the news groups. When I see these repeated subjects, I don't even look at them. |
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Subject:Remove Vocal 6
Reply by: Rednroll
Date:12/16/2004 7:36:53 PM
<Bump> :-)~ |