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Subject:Where is Acid 5.0?
Posted by: buckaroo
Date:2/27/2004 1:21:44 AM
ANY news yet on this? Bit fed up of waiting - 4.0 keeps crashing and other platforms seem to be steaming ahead..like Ableton / Sonar 3 etc.. Now i hear Logic 7 will incorporate Acid style loops!!! Lets hope Sony catch up!!!??!!!! |
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Subject:RE: Where is Acid 5.0?
Reply by: Spirit
Date:2/27/2004 9:11:19 AM
Agree. While many people have no problems with v4, I'm one of many (it seems) who just aren't having any luck with it. maybe it was all the terrible bugs it came with on release that put me off. But subsequent releases didn't seem to fix all the problems - at least not up to the standard of version 3. I adore version 3, but it is looking a bit lacking in comparison to most other apps. Bring on 5. |
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Subject:RE: Where is Acid 5.0?
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:2/28/2004 9:45:38 AM
What exactly is your problem, buckaroo? Maybe I can help... So what if Logic will incorporate ACID-style loops? Ask me if I care. (It's not like a PC user like me is going to suddenly go over to Mac.) Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page |
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Subject:RE: Where is Acid 5.0?
Reply by: retroz
Date:2/29/2004 9:01:50 AM
Ableton 3 blows Acid out of the water. We made mention of this back when Live was 2.0. SF still did nothing and offered little and no cutting edge. The complaint from SF was "users" don't really need midi or only a small percentage need rewire, etc, etc. I bet 100% that Sony is demanding rewire and VST support (not the cheap crashy bug version of Acid using VST plugins) but Acid being usable within SX, Nuendo, Logic, Pro-tools, etc. Well, they where wrong and now people are using reason, Live, and vst instruments. The only way Acid will survive will be if these so called "small percentage types" will be implemented. Bet ya can't find those SF posts anymore. Not with Sony at the helm. |
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Subject:RE: Where is Acid 5.0?
Reply by: buckaroo
Date:2/29/2004 12:15:40 PM
Fully Agree Retroz - this is what i meant with when is Acid 5.0 due? mD - you seem to be getting a little excited!!! - you ok?? lol All i meant was that i use logic on the PC and sometimes Acid on its own, which is a cool program, but as Retroz said, Ableton live has "blown it out of the Water" and is Rewire too! - therefore i can use it with Logic I was just comenting that I hope (as we all do on this forum) Acid 5.0 stands up to the competition, as it is a cool prog (when it doesnt crash!) and as for Mac, well as a Logic User, i was thinking of going over to that anyway - and with the Rumour of Logic 7 having Acidize loops too - well bring it on!! |
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Subject:RE: Where is Acid 5.0?
Reply by: warrenbfet
Date:3/3/2004 5:31:56 PM
Yes Sony's developers are writing and finishing the code as we speak. PLEASE......... Don't count on anything anytime soon from Sony. Sony stands for Spyware Out Next Year! Sonic Foundry Acid rules!!!! Sony, don't kill off another good thing in your quest to rule the material world! |
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Subject:RE: Where is Acid 5.0?
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:3/4/2004 12:19:38 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's back up here. Live blowing ACID out of the water? Forgive me for saying so, but isn't that an opinion? Live cannot work with video and it can only work with WAV and AIFF formats (on the PC). It can't even use/playback MIDI itself; you have to use ReWire. Not exactly a paragon of flexibility, IMHO. In this respect, ACID flattens Live. I also have no use for Live's candy-like interface. (Yeah, I know Live is "skinable". But why go through all that just to get something that suits my draconian tastes? Why not just keep it simple in the first place?) And then there's ACID's intended audience, which is, IMHO, far more reaching and accessible than Live ever thought of being. Yes, apps like Live and Logic are great solutions for musicians, but what about those who aren't? ACID just isn't for music alone. It also can be used for multimedia purposes. What about people who use Flash and just want music for their presentation, for example? People who make their own movies? (Even so, as simple as ACID can appear, they still need help. That's why people like me are here.) buck: You still haven't answered my question. What exactly is your problem with ACID crashing? Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page |
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Subject:RE: Where is Acid 5.0?
Reply by: retroz
Date:3/5/2004 1:45:50 AM
Why is the argument pro-acid always to skew the issue? That's the problem with ACID that seems to be summed up , it doesn't WORK the way live does. Does Acid work with SX? Nuendo? No. It needs flawless rewire the way live does, and LIVE does everything and much more than ACID. First off, what can acid do that Live cant? (let it be known, I hated the first 2 versions of live... Need a loop, it can do that and more, not only can the tracks be recorded within LIVE but can also be tracked within SX. Moreover, you can manipulate LOOPS far more advanced than you can with ACID. As far as Acid goes, (and I;ve been a registered user up to 4.0), all it can do is paint loops, something that can be done quite simply in LIVE. Sure it's a little different in how it's done, but it can be done the same way. The only thing though is that ACIDS strongest point is just ONE of the many things you can do with LIVE, let alone it's wonderful interface with SX/NUENDO/PROTOOLS, and all the midi that comes with these programs, vst plug-ins, gigastudio, vst instruments. ACID is, by todays standards, a closed ended system, that they (SONIC) think people will want. IMO, it's going the way of OPCODE, and ESQ Paris workstations if they can't get it to work as a 1) VST Plugin and OR Rewire. ANd not some junky, buggy crash system and even with that, I still see ACID losing a lot of ground to LIVE, especially since all acid can really offer now is some sort of rythym machine, which is easy to comp in VST plug-ins. Have you seen the way you can edit waves on the fly in LIVE? It's quite stunning. It would have to be amazing and offer not only REWIRE but some sort of beatbox (hardware) type functions that make ACID stand out. just my opinion. |
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Subject:RE: Where is Acid 5.0?
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:3/5/2004 12:00:06 PM
I know it's your opinion, retro, but you still haven't rebutted my argument that ACID is really aimed at a different overall market than just musicians as Live is. My point (a really big one) was that ACID is far more flexible in the mulitmedia department and is able to work with many popular formats like MPEG, QuickTime, Windows Media and MP3; Live still can't do MP3 (playback or render) or work with video such as QuickTime or MPEG, for example. That may be important depending on your line of work. I know it's important to me. I wouldn't be caught dead telling a client I couldn't accept a file in a certain format just because my app can't accept it. ACID is different things to different people (who therefore use it differently). Some use it to do a remix of a song, while others use it to help score a music bed for a video that they're doing. Some use it to simply create some kind of audio bed that helps to create ambience for whatever it is they intend to use it with, whether it be a Flash presentation or a movie project in Vegas. To me, it doesn't matter that Live can do wild and wacky things to loops, simply because I do wild and wacky things to loops already. ;o) Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page |
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Subject:RE: Where is Acid 5.0?
Reply by: setfan
Date:3/14/2004 4:53:02 AM
Iacobus, As you seem to be a guru on and Pro ' Acid, i have some questions or troubles to tell you about with mine. I thought i'm wasn't a newbie with this ap but sometimes, i believe that it could be me that do bad things... I suppose that you have the same release 4.0f. I have a creamware audio card, XP, 640 mo, Athlon 1800, and suffisient place to swap :+) or store. Yes again i'm Pro Acid for its way to work, there are no other apps that let me build bed music, rythms loops with one shot drums, etc or to pitch, time-stretch or slice and dice as quicker than with Acid. Well and yes Acid is for sure a cool and great app. But, now, you know i use Live to build most of my final songs, because it's more "live" or based on the energy you want in your song, the building of the track seems and (now for me) are really more alive than a lot of tracks that i made before. We all improve our skills, but sometimes, apps can change or give a better direction to your tunes. But at the beginning of most of my tracks, Acid is there. But now, i use a lot of VSTIs that work with many apps, i have too Sonar 2.2, Cubasis VST4.0, Tried the demo of Traktion. EVE is a really cool VSTi but doens't work at all, it makes Acid crash ... You can imagine, that i buy a plug nearly 90$ and i can't use it with only Acid, doesn't know why and it gets on my nervs. Because i would really like to use it with Acid Pro. The same for Superwave Pro and Trance-Pro. And Acid doesn't recognize them. They are not in my list of VST. The last one that crash and for sure with the ones i told before, is Console, great plugin that adapt all and many things. It's really cool. I'm not there to make some criticism, promotion about plugs, whatever else, it's just i want to use the best of all, if Acid Pro could be the ultimate app, you can believe i would be really happy. Hope you or someone could help me, because some people seem to have no problems. Best regards and do great music for everyone. Setfan |
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Subject:RE: Where is Acid 5.0?
Reply by: Spirit
Date:3/14/2004 8:41:01 AM
I have Eve and a Creamware card - and use AcidPro as my main audio app. Why not host Eve in Cubasis and then play it "live" into AP ? That's what I assume you're doing with your Creamware synths since Acid obviously can't host them ... |
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Subject:RE: Where is Acid 5.0?
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:3/14/2004 9:52:16 AM
Adding to what Spirit said, I should have noted that MIDI playback/recording is still going through some growing pains in ACID, the reason being that ACID didn't even have playback of MIDI tracks up until ACID 3.0. ACID was, up until that point, exclusively working with digital audio (and some video) and the only MIDI feature was MIDI sync. (I'm wondering how many people actually know this.) And the concept of VSTi's is new to 4.0. As I've said before, anything that's brand new in ACID has to fit within ACID's paradigm and not the other way around because doing so would alienate existing users and would veer ACID off its original purpose. I'm no programmer, but I'd bet implementing MIDI/VSTi and ReWire (which came later on in updates to 4.0) in this fashion was no easy feat to accomplish. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page Guitars 4 Kids |
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Subject:RE: Where is Acid 5.0?
Reply by: stuffedspacedog
Date:3/16/2004 8:45:12 PM
Sure Ableton is steaming ahead with updates, but: - It's time stretching/pitch shift sucks (compare the same loop in Live vs Acid at various pitches and tempos: there is NO comparison) - It has a GUI designed by Fisher Price - It's rewire capabilities are unstable - No support for VST instruments, DX effects, or any kind of MIDI editing As a live tool, it has some benefits but for composition and production there is nothing to beat Acid. Hurrah! I want version 5, and I'm confident that Sony will do a good job. In fact without the Sonic Foundry products, Sony would have had a big gap in their product range vs Apple, who I'm sure they see as their primary long term rival in sexy, integrated multimedia computing. |
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Subject:RE: Where is Acid 5.0?
Reply by: setfan
Date:4/9/2004 1:02:29 AM
Hello Spirit, I come back to the forum today and finally read your answer to my old post. It's strange i didn't recieve any message for this. Well, i don't see the configuration you're discribing? Do you mean i have to use EVE under Cubasis while i have AP working with creamware scope under all of this. i'll try it with my new PC but it seems it will be heavy on the CPU, and i'm not so sure that Acid will work with an other app using midi at the same time. I'll check your answer. Xavier aka Setfan |
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Subject:RE: Where is Acid 5.0?
Reply by: Spirit
Date:4/9/2004 2:02:55 AM
That configuration isn't much a strain on the system at all. Hosts like Fruity take very little cpu when sitting idle just hosting a vsti or tw. I run Fruity under ASIO for good midi keyboard response (I think 5ms with Scope ASIO drivers), and AcidPro with Wave drivers. The Creamware card obviously takes no cpu resources to speak of. Sounds complex, but in fact it's a very simple set-up once you get used it. Good luck. |
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Subject:RE: Where is Acid 5.0?
Reply by: JohnnyRoy
Date:4/9/2004 5:30:45 PM
> EVE is a really cool VSTi but doens't work at all, it makes Acid crash I just downloaded the demo of EVE and loaded into ACID Pro 4.0e and it seems to be working fine on my laptop but did not work at first on my desktop. The difference being that I have an Audigy 2 card on the desktop using the ASIO drivers and 48K sample rate. When I change the sample rate back to 44K, EVE seemed to load fine. I could then switch back to 48K and it would work. If however, I tried to add EVE while the project was set to 48K it would crash ACID again. So the problem seems to be with adding EVE while the sample rate is 48K. The workaround is to switch to 44K, add EVE, then switch back to 48K. Could this be your problem too? For a Vintage emulator I’m not impressed with the sound of EVE but that’s just me. I’ve owned many of the instruments it pretends to emulate and these are definitely not samples of those instruments. They are close imitations, but not actually samples. There are a lot of free vintage softsyths like 4 Front Rhodes for Fender Rhodes, ORGANized trio for Hammond B3, and Tapeworm and MelloSound for Mellotron that, IMHO, sound closer to the original. The Rhodes in EVE sounds more like a DX7. I owned two Fender Rhodes (an 88 and 73) and it had nowhere near the bell like quality that EVE portrays. The CP70 does sound very good though. ~jr |
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Subject:RE: Where is Acid 5.0?
Reply by: DKeenum
Date:4/9/2004 8:07:12 PM
Keyboard Mag did a review of EVE and came to the same conclusion: Sounds ok but not like the orig. instruments, except for the CP. They liked it. So I guess you ought to look into writing reviews! I wanted to like it, but I couldn't. A lot of people rave about EVE, but it's not for me. But when I tried the minimoog v I ordered it immediately. |
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Subject:RE: Where is Acid 5.0?
Reply by: JohnnyRoy
Date:4/9/2004 9:03:57 PM
Wow, I haven’t read Keyboard mag in years. I recently threw out several years worth from the first issue onward and a friend of mine said, “what are you crazy, you could have auctioned them off on eBay and made some money.” It just never occurred to me that they would be worth anything. I still have my Minimoog sitting in my studio. The keyboard intonation has shifted and I’ve been wanting to take it apart and clean the keyboard contacts before I do a complete recalibration. Still the sound of that thing is amazing. I should probably look into the Minimoog V. If its anything like their Moog Modular V (which I had a demo of once and was blown away by it) I’ll probably want to buy it. ;-) ~jr |