Subject:MAC anyone ?? hehe

Posted by: tascolas

Date:2/17/2004 4:48:45 PM

I hear rumours Sony is interested in buying Apple and Pixar. Regardless of what this could mean if it happened ,when are we going to see at last SoundForge,Acid and Vegas running on Macs ? SoFo lost bigtime in the past,because in the real world most Mac users BUY their software and most pc users DON'T. Thats not just a fact - it has become common knowledge. Somebody saying otherwise is just lyiing or misinformed. Even now that the apps run only in pc it has crossed my mind a thousand times : Why isnt ACID or Vegas or SoundForge TDM compatible? . In the pro world this would have a major impact . Being able to run ProTools hardware with all its benefits shouldnt be the exclusive priviledge of ProTools software users . In pc we had Logic that could be a frontend for ProTools but - as every1 knows - its discontiued. It really means a lot to be TDM (and RTAS )compatible. Acid would have a major lead by having access to the REAL world of plugins thats called TDM. Digidesign has a rumour to be ( and to my opinion is) the most arrogant manufacturer. Even these guys right now are Asio compatible. Why can't our software be TDM compatible? I would gladly spend 15000 euro in ProTools TDM hardware if only my Acid would support it. Stability- Integrity - Connectivity- Communication-Imagination-Creativity-Modularity-Expandability is to my opinion what every app's goal should be.Cmon guys -give us the future now. U can do it... I am really an old Mac user. My friends almost called me heretic when i switched to pc several years ago. I love pc btw but Macs are simply faster. A 2x2ghz G5 is twice faster than a dual 2ghz IBM Xeon server . Why can't we be able to run Acid in Mac?? Or at least why cant Acid be run on servers with more than 2 cpus in the first place ? Can we have a reasonable explanation based on facts and not hypothetical and generic answers ? Peace and love to all .peeps .
PS: I had a dream last night. ACID PRO 4 running onTDM hardware , Bomb Factory plugins all over -Massenburg EQs and Fairchild compressors. Do i need a doctor ?

Subject:RE: MAC anyone ?? hehe

Reply by: DKeenum

Date:2/17/2004 5:41:48 PM

You may.

Subject:RE: MAC anyone ?? hehe

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:2/17/2004 5:49:16 PM

If it's not just a fact then what is it? Maybe a fantasy?

Sorry, couldn't resist. ;)

Subject:RE: MAC anyone ?? hehe

Reply by: pwppch

Date:2/17/2004 8:51:01 PM

Digi has not yet made the TDM hardware interfaces available on Windows. The DAE interfaces exists, but it is not supported for third party apps under Windows. They have made it available under the Mac, but there is no plan currently for Digi to support this under Windows. I assure if they do, every major vendor will support it.

Peter

Subject:RE: MAC anyone ?? hehe

Reply by: MacMoney

Date:2/18/2004 4:45:16 AM

I'm running SF, Vegas, CDA5 and Acid 4.0 on TDM Mix+ Hardware via ASIO.
A lot of DX & VST plugins are going RTAS/TDM.
If I must have the BF plugs I'll mix in Pro-Tools.
Digi and Sony work very well together, I use them daily with no problems.

George Ware

Subject:RE: MAC anyone ?? hehe

Reply by: vanblah

Date:2/18/2004 9:23:59 AM

Can I ask where you get your information that MOST pc users don't buy their software? You say it has become common knowledge; but common knowledge has little to do with facts.

Subject:RE: MAC anyone ?? hehe

Reply by: tascolas

Date:2/18/2004 9:43:54 AM

To vanblah : I know about 50 pro producers in my area - whatever might be their main software they all use Acid more or less... I am the only one who's bought it . If this isnt a fact what is it? European ppl have much different attitude towards buying software and so do Asian ppl and American ppl - If u live in London for instance there's big chance u buy your software but not everywhere ppl behave the same.
To SonyPCH : Thanx a lot for the enlighting info . I really apreciate it. Thanks again.
To MacMoney : Thanx a lot to u too - i ll check this configuration out as it looks quite close to the real thing.
I hope i didnt upset every pc user but really 90% of the pc users i know, run pirate software ,and trust me, i know a lot of ppl . :-)
Praise to the peeps that pay their hard earned money to buy their soft .
Peace

Subject:RE: MAC anyone ?? hehe

Reply by: vanblah

Date:2/18/2004 10:00:32 AM

I know about 50 pro producers in my area - whatever might be their main software they all use Acid more or less... I am the only one who's bought it . If this isnt a fact what is it? European ppl have much different attitude towards buying software and so do Asian ppl and American ppl - If u live in London for instance there's big chance u buy your software but not everywhere ppl behave the same.

What you are describing is anecdotal evidence ... it may be a fact, but it does not provide empirical evidence that "most pc users don't buy their software."

For instance, of the two dozen or so people that I know who use PCs for audio recording, I would say that 3 or 4 of them are using cracked versions of Acid. So within my realm I would say that most PC users are actually buying their software.

Doug

Subject:RE: MAC anyone ?? hehe

Reply by: coolout

Date:2/19/2004 3:33:29 AM

has a former (for the most part) mac user and full time acid pro-head here's my 2 cents...

1.) i think most people use cracked software because most DAW are bloated with features most casual "pro-sumers" will never use. the more features the more R+D, the larger the potential market for the company,and the larger the price. acid really doesn't fall prey to this because it's a great deal for the job it does. AP 4.0 was only 99 bucks at introduction. logic 6 was i think $500 minimum at launch.

2.) the question of acid with TDM is totally moot. TDM is overpriced for the most part. nowadays all you're really paying for is a bit more reliabilty and the bragging rights. if you want dedicated DSP with acid pro just spend less than $1000 and get both a UAD-1 and a Powercore Element. you'll have just as much power as a TDM system plus most of the same plugins. everyone knows the UAD plugs are more acurate emulations than the bombfactory stuff. hell, universal audio manufactures the 1176 and la-2a hardware reissues AND they're the sons of the original owner.

one more cent...

have you guys check out that new E-MU card? 6-in/8-out/adat/turntable pre-amp/firewire interface with dedicated DSP on the card and they claim it has the EXACT same converters as a Protools HD 192 I/O interface.

the price? 500 bucks....DAMN!!!!

the 2 in/2 out/adat version with the same converters...only $199 WOW!!!

who really needs a TDM system when you get the same DSP power and sound quality for the price of crippled RTAS system?

Subject:RE: MAC anyone ?? hehe

Reply by: tascolas

Date:2/20/2004 7:14:31 AM

Hehe - doug thnx for the info -m8 - but acid tdm isnt moot at all... UAD and Powercore FX appear as vst plugs which arent straight up compatible with acid pro. That is u r tellin me to run them over something like VSt Adapter which is i bought that sometime ago -but will they work correctly - it seems to me that straight out of the box the UAD effects have about 10 ms latency plus a dedicated program for delay compensation .I really am not sure how could all this work just fine under the vst adapter but if u guys have a workin example i am ready to hear it and also ready to buy the UAD :-) .CHEERS to all ,and thnx all for your opinions.

Subject:RE: MAC anyone ?? hehe

Reply by: coolout

Date:2/21/2004 1:55:55 AM

i own a uad-1 and it's TOTALLY compatible with acid pro. there are vst and dx versions of the plug-ins. didn't you know?

DX plugs have auto-delay compensation. it just plain works.

i got my card for less than 500 bucks in a sealed box on ebay.

kick-ass plugins + dedicated DSP = TDM is moot

Subject:RE: MAC anyone ?? hehe

Reply by: bgc

Date:2/21/2004 2:25:24 PM

Second the UAD-1 prop. The plugs look just like all the other native DX plugins. They sound amazing. The only problem with them is that you want to use them all the time and soon your one card will turn into two and then into three... :)
B.