Subject:Feature Suggestion-DX Insert

Posted by: Rednroll

Date:2/14/2004 8:31:00 PM

After having some recent discussion on the forums, this idea came to me, which seems so obvious and seems like it would be easy to implement with low latency drivers. It's a DX insert, that would allow me to choose the inputs and outputs on my Sound Card to be able to insert hardware processors into the plugin Chainer. For those of us who do mastering and use external hardware along with plugins, this would be great and make Sound Forge more flexible. I could therefore patch in my external EQ's and multiband compressor within a plugin chain and monitor all the processing together. I could even insert multiple hardware within a plugin chain and have total control of how the audio is being processed and in which order it's being processed. The user interface would seem to be more simplified than trying to accomplish this same type of thing by having to play back a file with plugins, and then have input monitor enabled with plugins located there. I think there could be many uses for this type of functionality expanding into other apps like Vegas and being able to patch in external reverbs and analog distortion within a plugin chain. Any thoughts? Is this possible or is there a possible pitfalls I'm over looking?

Red

Subject:RE: Feature Suggestion-DX Insert

Reply by: RiRo

Date:2/14/2004 9:49:16 PM

Now that would open all kinds of good doors... I have bought plugins trying to duplicate sound I get from hardware units. This would certainly save in that aspect. Besides, some hardware is just plain hard to duplicate in a plug.

RiRo

Subject:RE: Feature Suggestion-DX Insert

Reply by: wigworld

Date:2/15/2004 5:35:08 AM

Fantastic Idea. The only pitfall I can see is with time-modulated effects, such as reverbs, delays etc - how would Sound Forge know when to stop applying the effect to the signal - too early and it would cut off the reverb tail/delays/whatever, too late and you would end up having to trim the end of every sample to remove silence.
It's already pretty straightforward to do this in Vegas - if Sony would bundle a cut-down version of Vegas with Sound Forge (like Sonic Foundry used to), then we could use that for the job.

Subject:RE: Feature Suggestion-DX Insert

Reply by: Rednroll

Date:2/15/2004 1:09:22 PM

"how would Sound Forge know when to stop applying the effect to the signal".

The same way it handles every other output. It leaves the input and output active. It doesn't have to know when to stop it. Does record input monitoring stop working because there's no audio signal present? Of course not.

Subject:RE: Feature Suggestion-DX Insert

Reply by: kbruff

Date:2/17/2004 8:51:20 PM

Hello,

What you are describing seems very interesting. How does what you desire differ from what a UAD-1 card provides as real time (DSP) processor which can work as Direct X pluggin and is chainable within its own features?

Recently I have been looking at TC Electronic Power Core and Universal Audio UAD-1 as possible solution to power hungry processing programs. What you are describing would be even more advanced since it is really tapping into both post and pre-analog mix and editing.

But it seems like this could work with what UAD-1 provides.

Regards,
Kevin
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Subject:RE: Feature Suggestion-DX Insert

Reply by: Rednroll

Date:2/18/2004 8:09:37 AM

1. UAD cards are not portable like hardware FX's unless you bring your entire DAW with You.
2. You can integrate your existing hardware FX's with your software, no additional costs.
3. No additional PCI slots or IRQ's needed
4. You can use the real thing, not something that was modeled to sound like the original.

Example, I have a TC Finalizer that I paid nearly $2K for. Why would I want to go by a Powercore card which has a TC Finalizer on it? I don't have money to through away and my current Finalizer sounds great and takes less PC resources.

Subject:RE: Feature Suggestion-DX Insert

Reply by: kbruff

Date:2/18/2004 8:50:12 AM

Rednroll said:

"1. UAD cards are not portable like hardware FX's unless you bring your entire DAW with You.
2. You can integrate your existing hardware FX's with your software, no additional costs.
3. No additional PCI slots or IRQ's needed
4. You can use the real thing, not something that was modeled to sound like the original.

Example, I have a TC Finalizer that I paid nearly $2K for. Why would I want to go by a Powercore card which has a TC Finalizer on it? I don't have money to through away and my current Finalizer sounds great and takes less PC resources."

I see your point, and yes such a feature would be nice.

Regards,
Kevin
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Subject:RE: Feature Suggestion-DX Insert

Reply by: EdMLL

Date:2/19/2004 2:22:09 AM

Why don´t you use Acid4 with a soundcard like Fire410?
I think it will work.