Can I create an AVI with transparency?

farss wrote on 12/17/2003, 3:54 AM
Here's my problem.
I've got some titles flying in out of an explosion, to make them look realistic I want to add motion blur but I can only do that on the video bus and I don't want to add blur to the background.
So I figured I could render out the titles with the MB and bring them back in except as far see I've no way to preserve the alpha channel. I know I could render them out with an unused color background and then key them.
Is there any other way to do this?
The CK solution is fine but I'm wondering how I get video with transparency?

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Apollo25 wrote on 12/17/2003, 4:57 AM
When faced with a similar situation some time ago I found that I had to build this type of segment in a tool like Adobe After Effects. I first tried to create my titles etc. with motion paths in AE against a checkered BG. Once I rendered my short title sequence and brought it into VV4 I lost my transparency. I am sure there are other tools that provide the type of functionality you desire other than AE. This has been my experience. I hope this helps.
farss wrote on 12/17/2003, 5:02 AM
I guess if it wasn't too long a sequence you could render it out in some other app as a stills sequence and bring that into VV as so many .pngs . Seems a lot of drama though for what should be an easy task.
I suspect part of the problem is the underlying DV spec, as I understand it its based arounf jpeg compression which isn't too good at supporting transparency even for stills.
PeterWright wrote on 12/17/2003, 5:24 AM
You didn't say how you were creating the explosion/fly in -if you use Satish's shatter, you should be able to apply that to generated text.
Former user wrote on 12/17/2003, 5:29 AM
You have to render uncompressed in order to save an Alpha channel.

Dave T2
PAW wrote on 12/17/2003, 6:26 AM

If you want an AVI to support transparency it needs to be created uncompressed ( or at least that is the only way I have managed to date).

You could also try creating it in quicktime format if the host app support this as an animation type with millions+ colours will give a file with transparency and some compression.

If you create it in QT format I usually have to change the media properties to specify the alpha channel as straight (unmatted)

Regards, PAW


Grazie wrote on 12/17/2003, 6:39 AM
I've CK out the background to moving Text - works like a dream. I've also use the text itself as a mask with video inside it. The whole up against another video clip. G
stormstereo wrote on 12/17/2003, 6:53 AM
I know you wrote that you don't want to blur the background. Maybe you built your timeline so it's impossible to work this out. But anyway - this answer is just to make sure you just haven't forgot about the track header on/off switch. If you add motion blur to the video bus you can turn it off in any video track header. This prevents motion blur being applied to that specific track. Then you can add keyframes to the motion blur spline so it will only be used when you want it to be used.

The other method already touched upon here is to create stills (png) which preserves the alpha information and then import to Vegas as an image sequence. I have not tried this myself so I'm not sure it will work. But go ahead!
Best/Tommy
www.stormstereo.com
JohnnyRoy wrote on 12/17/2003, 6:56 AM
Don’t forget, when you render uncompressed to check the Render alpha channel (uncompressed video formats only) checkbox on the Video tab of the Custom... dialog.

~jr
farss wrote on 12/17/2003, 11:43 AM
stormstereo,
I didn't know I could switch it off in the header! Everything is built on separate tracks so it'll be easy to do that..

The uncompressed AVI will be the way to go in the future, I suspected that would be the answer, I knew there must be some way to it.

Thanks everyone for your valuable input.

PS Anyone know of a way to PTT with an alpha channel?
I know I cannot do this with DV but I noticed the Bluefish HD cards can output alpha channel on a separate SDI feed. Anyone know of a VCR system that'll record that info, just as a matter of interest.
stormstereo wrote on 12/20/2003, 8:36 PM
Wow, a seperate alpha out!? I'm guessing it's not for a VCR to record but to give some type of high end hardware the alpha information seperately. Probably good when working at Pixar or something. :)
Best/Tommy
ReneH wrote on 12/20/2003, 8:42 PM
I typed text on green background, add chroma key, and played with the thresholds. It's fast & easy.
farss wrote on 12/20/2003, 10:55 PM
Actually I believe some high end VCRs can record alpha channel info.
Sorry but when I can afford one I'll be too busy driving the Porsche that comes for free with them to be posting here :)
vonhosen wrote on 12/21/2003, 1:08 PM
I've rendered compressed .avi with alpha from Ulead Cool3D.

When the file is brought into Vegas & loaded to the timeline alpha is not enabled, but if you right click on the media in the timeline, click on properties, go to the media tab & change the alpha channel drop down from none to straight (unmatted) you are in business.
PAW wrote on 12/21/2003, 2:36 PM

Vonhosen, which codec and settings were you using?

PAW
vonhosen wrote on 12/22/2003, 1:12 AM
Sorry, I'm talking out my a*** . It was uncompressed .avi (I'm having bad day)