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Subject:Acid - Royalty free??
Posted by: Jsnkc
Date:12/17/2003 10:55:28 AM
Let's say I produce some music using ACID and loops that you can buy to work in Acid. Does that music that I compose become mine? Meaning I could use it or sell it as royalty free music? |
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Subject:RE: Acid - Royalty free??
Reply by: marcarotsky
Date:12/17/2003 11:08:51 AM
yes. as long as the loops you use and anything else you use in your composition is all "royalty free." there are some grey areas though. 99% of all the acid loop cd's are provided to you as "royalty free" meaning you can use the loops in your own compositions and you have the right to REPLAY AND REBROADCAST that composition. to be honest with you, if you start getting into selling ANYTHING....no matter what you use for loops and/or samples, i would still try to get written permission. it is an extremely thin line between "royalty free" and copyright infringement. just say you use some loops in a project of yours...those loops are royalty free. well, you sell the song you just made with all those loops in it, the producer of those loops hears some of his/her own work....they can, by right try to sue you, even though that sample cd says "royalty free." chances are, they wouldnt win in court, but its still something you want to try to avoid. its like being ASCAP licensed. (which i have to play music in nightclubs) i pay a fee to PLAY AND REBROADCAST music. but i cant turn around legally and record my set at a nightclub and sell that "mix cd" if i were you, just to try to cover your arse, try to get as much written permission as you can, it might be a little time consuming, but at least you know you are 100% safe. its just a good practice to get into. chances are, not to sound contradictory, if you sell anything with these loops, nothing will happen, but, like i said....its just a good way to protect yourself. HTH --marc |
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Subject:RE: Acid - Royalty free??
Reply by: DKeenum
Date:12/17/2003 11:40:22 AM
I hope this doesn't sound sarcastic. Royalty Free means royalty free. You are free to use the loops for paying jobs or comercial releases. You can't sell the loops but you can sell music that is made from the loops. |
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Subject:RE: Acid - Royalty free??
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:12/17/2003 8:22:05 PM
As a loop producer, I agree. If you use any loops on any of my libraries and sell the composition for a million bucks, my claim on it is zilch. Simple as that. We've got a Piano library that is very popular right now. People are using it in all kinds of things. I wish them well. The only payment due to my company is what got them the libraries in the first place. That's the deal with buyout agreements. Royalty-free is royalty-free. Interesting to note, however... There are some Sony libraries that are basically made up of already-composed music beds. In each sub folder (which usually is named by the composition title) you get all the elements of the composition as individual loops and one loop that may be named "complete." ELECTRO LOUNGE and NU GROOVE POP are perfect examples of this. The Orchestral series & Underground Sound Labs libraries touch on this in a more subtle way. So here's the rub: I could put all the individual loops together -- maybe tweak the mix a bit -- and sell it as "my creation." Or, I could sell the "complete" loop (which sounds exactly the same) and I'm breaking the license agreement. If I make the song part of a video or PP presentation, no problem. But some people are selling JUST MUSIC. So, where does this leave them? Personally, I don't know why Sony releases such libraries. The whole point of loops is to create something yourself. If I want it "already done," I'll go buy a stock music library. The other interesting thing is Pandora's Toolbox. Really cool stuff. Read the original license (jewel case version) and you basically can't use any part of it for anything commercial without written permission. Not exactly "Royalty-Free." Overall, however, if it says it's royalty-free, you can incorporate it onto anything you're working on, and any legitimate producer is going to just be honored that you used one of their elements in your project. When you pay for the library, you pay for the right to use it. Period. |
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Subject:RE: Acid - Royalty free??
Reply by: marcarotsky
Date:12/17/2003 9:37:15 PM
ok, guess i was mistaken. (sorry for any confusion i may have caused) i guess i have just always been "extra careful" learn something new everyday!! :-) --marc |
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Subject:RE: Acid - Royalty free??
Reply by: ATP
Date:12/18/2003 1:17:47 AM
well, at least when it says royalty free you know you're not going to get in any trouble. i've got about 10 Gb of home made loops, ripped from all kinds of artists, some totally unknown, some very well known. i'd hate to think about the impossible task i'm gonna get trying to get clearance for my loops when i'll release something officially. but that's the price to pay for non-stock sounds i guess. |
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Subject:RE: hey Jessariah.
Reply by: luceses
Date:12/18/2003 10:12:56 AM
"Personally, I don't know why Sony releases such libraries. The whole point of loops is to create something yourself. If I want it "already done," I'll go buy a stock music library." I couldn't agree more! I would much rather have a series of scales or riffs or just basic phrases, such as cellos doing 1/8 note bounce or a triplet scale and then I could take them and alter them to fit MY original idea. I posted something along these lines a while back, but I guess I was the only one who felt that way. I mean, I have a lot of softsynths and stuff, but sometimes the subleties are just too much trouble to program in midi and various sound engines. Especially with organic wood type instuments, they are just way too dynamic. which peaks my curiosity about your piano loops. I would love to check out some of your library, so could you post web or contact info? Well that's it fer now, Luces |
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Subject:RE: hey Jessariah.
Reply by: DKeenum
Date:12/18/2003 11:47:48 AM
Jessariah, Thanks for the info. Looks like it is a little more confusing that I thought. I guess you need to take a close look at the CD insert. But then it's too late, because you've already bought the CD. BTW, I'd like a CD of basic stuff too: like a guitar just going chug,chug,chug,etc. Boring but nice color at times. |
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Subject:RE: hey Jessariah.
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:12/18/2003 12:24:04 PM
"Chug, chug, chug"? You mean like distorted guitar riffs? A CD's worth of that? That would be nice. (But then again, I have myself to rely on.) ;oD Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page |
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Subject:RE: hey Jessariah.
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:12/18/2003 8:18:59 PM
Actually, there's a guy who's doing some interesting stuff with guitar. It's a bit rought around the edges (and the loops need normalizing, generally), but the libraries are well worth it... He's at Guitarwavs.com, but you can usually find him selling his libraries for about $20 on eBay. Because I produce & sell loops, I like to check out other people's stuff. Because I USE loops, I'm always on the lookout for those hidden gems. His guitar libraries are worth it. Nice, generally basic stuff. |
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Subject:RE: hey Jessariah.
Reply by: DKeenum
Date:12/19/2003 8:45:27 AM
I wouldn't want an entire CD of that, but, yeah, I'd want some of it. Most loops are, and I guess have to be, pretty creative and expressive, but sometimes you need plain Vanilla to layer with something. I guess it would be hard to sell a CD of "Plain Vanilla Loops!" |
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Subject:RE: hey Jessariah.
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:12/20/2003 6:51:45 AM
That's actually the course we've taken -- specialized stuff. Basic building blocks (8-beat holds, simple lines, etc.) as well as several loops within a specific sound, so the variety is there to actually "create" something. It's the one thing that commercial libraries are lacking - the bread & butter. |