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Subject:Pasting a note Posted by: dpvollmer Date:12/12/2003 10:36:40 AM I have to create music tracks for my church choir to sing with and the music director will often use measures from within a CD that require a bit of effort on my part to make them sound like a standalone song. My biggest problem is being able to repeat the last note in a song in order to prevent the modulation from that note to the next part of the CD. In other words I want to copy and then paste the final note repeatedly so that it sounds like the end of the song, fading it out. When I try to do that, it is not smooth and sounds like I have a series of individual notes that do not sound good. I have tried splitting the note out in Vegas 4 and pasting it with a crossfade and nothing I am doing sounds natural. Any suggestions? Thank you, David
Subject:RE: Pasting a note Reply by: Chienworks Date:12/12/2003 11:11:55 AM This can be very tough to do because few acoustically produced notes are a really constant sound. You'll have to select a very very tiny slice of the note in order to get something consistant. Ideally you want to select one whole cycle of the fundamental frequency. However, the problem with selecting a tiny slice is that it's difficult to get a piece that includes a whole number of waves exactly in a integer number of samples. If you choose something too short, the pitch that will be produced may be related to the sampling rate rather than the note that the piece is picked from. It's a pretty delicate operation to choose the right piece that includes enough samples to not be distorted and yet not so many that you hear the variation over time being repeated. If you work on just that last few notes in a new file and set the sample rate up as high as possible (192KHz) then you'll have finer time increments to work with and this can help. Pasting this back into the original file will resample it back to 44.1KHz automatically. How long does the note have to be held out? You might have better luck using reverb to hold the pitch out for a second or so, but any longer than that will definately start sounding like a hollow echo rather than the original note.
Subject:RE: Pasting a note Reply by: Geoff_Wood Date:12/12/2003 2:22:19 PM Try time-stretching the last note (with the preserve pitch option) . It won't sound 'natural', but what you are trying to do isn't natural... geoff
Subject:RE: Pasting a note Reply by: Rednroll Date:12/13/2003 7:47:31 AM Goto a different church......problem solved. :-)

Subject:Pasting a note

Posted by: dpvollmer

Date:12/12/2003 10:36:40 AM

I have to create music tracks for my church choir to sing with and the music director will often use measures from within a CD that require a bit of effort on my part to make them sound like a standalone song. My biggest problem is being able to repeat the last note in a song in order to prevent the modulation from that note to the next part of the CD. In other words I want to copy and then paste the final note repeatedly so that it sounds like the end of the song, fading it out. When I try to do that, it is not smooth and sounds like I have a series of individual notes that do not sound good.

I have tried splitting the note out in Vegas 4 and pasting it with a crossfade and nothing I am doing sounds natural. Any suggestions?

Thank you,
David

Subject:RE: Pasting a note

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:12/12/2003 11:11:55 AM

This can be very tough to do because few acoustically produced notes are a really constant sound. You'll have to select a very very tiny slice of the note in order to get something consistant. Ideally you want to select one whole cycle of the fundamental frequency. However, the problem with selecting a tiny slice is that it's difficult to get a piece that includes a whole number of waves exactly in a integer number of samples. If you choose something too short, the pitch that will be produced may be related to the sampling rate rather than the note that the piece is picked from. It's a pretty delicate operation to choose the right piece that includes enough samples to not be distorted and yet not so many that you hear the variation over time being repeated. If you work on just that last few notes in a new file and set the sample rate up as high as possible (192KHz) then you'll have finer time increments to work with and this can help. Pasting this back into the original file will resample it back to 44.1KHz automatically.

How long does the note have to be held out? You might have better luck using reverb to hold the pitch out for a second or so, but any longer than that will definately start sounding like a hollow echo rather than the original note.

Subject:RE: Pasting a note

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:12/12/2003 2:22:19 PM

Try time-stretching the last note (with the preserve pitch option) . It won't sound 'natural', but what you are trying to do isn't natural...

geoff

Subject:RE: Pasting a note

Reply by: Rednroll

Date:12/13/2003 7:47:31 AM

Goto a different church......problem solved. :-)