Subject:Acid+Reason=Cubase?

Posted by: KevSca

Date:11/18/2003 12:14:05 AM

Someone told me that using Acid with Reason2.5 is about the equivilant of using Cubase SX alone. Does anyone find this true? I'm almost going to switch (mostly because of Acid's instabilities and quirks..sorry Sony) BUT, I love the ease and workflow of AcidPro 4.0 in conjuntion with Reason. One BIG thing that is stopping me from switching right now is Acid's ability to match loops to song tempo, which I hear is a real bitch in CubaseSX. Sequencers are sequencers, right? Does Cubase sound better than AcidPro for mixing down stuff? And what's this? I was in BestBuy yesterday and what did I see on the audio software shelves in that bright yellow box! How depressing :( Someone please offer some consoling advice for a confused newbe! Thanx.
Regards,
Kev

Subject:RE: Acid+Reason=Cubase?

Reply by: retod

Date:11/18/2003 1:41:21 AM

Acid absolutely has it's uses in the creative process. It does not replace the recording capabilities that Cubase offers. When Acid3 was released, my band decided to try recording a full song using only Acid. We have since re-tweaked it using Acid Pro4 but the sonic quality of the song is not what I normally expect from a more inclusive product like Cubase. Cubase will not give you the same looping, time-streching functionality. If you use a lot of loops, then go ahead and process them with Acid, move them to Cubase and mix. I use both... For writing and doing scratch mixes, Acid is second to none. For professional quality mixes and linear functionality, Cubase is a better bet... More than anything, just trust your ears.

Tod

Subject:RE: Acid+Reason=Cubase?

Reply by: fatbenelton

Date:11/18/2003 4:53:16 AM

If they update Acid to be rewire slave (likely??) I'd recommend Pro Tools LE with Reason and Acid connected via rewire. Might be worth hanging on. Otherwise Sonar (2.2 & 3) works well with loops via the included cyclone looper. Finally, you could just sync Acid to your chosen sequencer.

Subject:RE: Acid+Reason=Cubase?

Reply by: KevSca

Date:11/18/2003 7:37:30 AM

So basically I could do my loop creation (contruction,tempo setting,ect.) in the Acid and the Sound Forge programs, render them and do all my live recording and mixdown stuff in Cubase. Sounds good to me! Another plus would be, in Acid, I could set the correct tempos as I render the loops for synced play in Cubase,right? I had problems tempo syncing certain loops together( taken from cd) and inserting them straight into Cubase :(
One more question please. How do the effects in Cubase compare to the stock DirectX effects in AcidPro 4.0e? Similar? two different worlds? Thanks in advance!
Regards,
Kev

Subject:RE: Acid+Reason=Cubase?

Reply by: gjn

Date:11/18/2003 11:16:05 AM

ideal for me ACID5 = ableton+vegas"whith midifiles".

AND DOCUMENTATION MULTI LANGUAGE........

Subject:RE: Acid+Reason=Cubase?

Reply by: Spheris

Date:11/18/2003 12:01:31 PM

skip steinbergs app, go straight to sonar or stay with acid and the opt plugins for composition etc. Nothing depresses me more than steinbergs bug fix policy and worse yet that nothing it makes is cross compatible /plugins etc.
and asio/vs wdm..asio is just not worth the hassle to try to make any sort of sophisticated transform plugin work.

just my two cents

Subject:RE: Acid+Reason=Cubase?

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:11/18/2003 1:11:52 PM

ACID and Reason together equals Cubase? I dunno. Reason has always seemed to be a soft synth (a good one at that) to me and ACID is a loop-based music production tool, not exactly a true multitracker à la Sony's own Vegas.

I would say a combo of ACID, Vegas and Reason would equal Cubase, but then again Sony's apps were meant to be modular to begin with, not an "all-in-one" solution like Cubase is. Some use ACID and Cubase together, while others use ACID and SONAR together. Of course, there are those who use ACID and Vegas together. ;o)

Why does seeing ACID Pro in Best Buy depress you? Sony's apps (which used to be Sonic Foundry's) were almost always sold at Best Buy, since those apps are a logical choice for those doing their own multimedia production, whether it be for a band or their own homemade DVD video.

Iacobus
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RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid
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Subject:RE: Acid+Reason=Cubase?

Reply by: txharp3

Date:11/18/2003 6:27:15 PM

Oddly, I converted from Cubase SL to Acid Pro 4 and Reason. Both setups have pros and cons, but can, basically, perform the same functions in some regards.

Subject:RE: Acid+Reason=Cubase?

Reply by: Waskel

Date:11/19/2003 9:32:14 AM

Let's face it, Cubase and Acid are two completely different animals. Acid has a distinct purpose, looping, which it is VERY good at. (include beatmapping, etc in that.) It's really not fair to compare it to Cubase or Sonar, which are intended to be 'all in one' studio apps. (This could explain the slight difference in price.) Cubase doesn't handle looping well. Sonar does better, but not as well as Acid. All 3 can use Reason as slave. Personally I haven't noticed much difference in the mixdowns (I use all 3), provided I do everything in 24 bit right up to burning. I do my mastering at burntime (in CD Architect) with Ozone.

So it really comes down to - What kind of piece are you working on? Mainly loops? Acid. Mostly long multi-tracks? Probably Cubase or Sonar. (tho I'm really starting to like using Vegas for audio projects.) I've used Acid for larger audio projects - I work alone, so not being able to multi-track is usually not an issue (tho I hate the popup record window in Acid). UNTIL I want to do something like record my guitar via pickup and mic at the same time, to separate tracks. Then I have to resort to a multi-tracking app.
When they make Acid a Rewire slave, It will make an EXCELLENT tool for the larger apps - a tool, which is what Acid has always been, and should be proud of.

IMHO, Waskel

Subject:RE: Acid+Reason=Cubase?

Reply by: ATP

Date:11/20/2003 9:12:55 AM

i fully second Waskel's comments, but i'd change one little thing.

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When they make Acid a Rewire slave, It will make an EXCELLENT tool for the larger apps - a tool, which is what Acid has always been, and should be proud of.
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for me that would be : When they make Acid a VSTi .... etc etc. Rewire slave is nice and all, but it will only really shine when it's a VSTi.

Subject:RE: Acid+Reason=Cubase?

Reply by: Waskel

Date:11/24/2003 8:04:30 AM

ATP - you're absolutely right, of course. I guess i'm just not THAT optimistic!
(btw, I knew somewhere deep down in the files that Phillips had invented the CD, just had a brain fart. Thanks for correcting me!)

John.

Subject:RE: Acid+Reason=Cubase?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:11/24/2003 11:07:50 PM

>>for me that would be : When they make Acid a VSTi .... etc etc. Rewire slave is nice and all, but it will only really shine when it's a VSTi.
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You want a different thing that what ACID is. ACID will NEVER be hostable as a VSTi and it would be a VERY bad thing to do this. ( Have you tried FLoops as a VSTi? YUCK!)

You want a VSTi that allows you to set loops to "keys" to be triggered. That is NOT what ACID does. It is NOT the same thing as making ACID hostable as a VSTi in other apps.

The VSTi spec is TERRIBLE at supporting host apps like ACID. It was never intended for this purpose, though there are "hooks" that let you pull off a ReWire type sync between a host and a VSTi.

ACID as a ReWire Slave makes sense. ReWire is FAR superior that VSTi in this aspect of integration.

ACID is an app, not a plugin. There is NO great market waiting for ACID to be a VSTi. I can assure you that we have looked at this from many different angles. There is just no demand and there are VSTi's and DXi's that can do this already in some ways.

Peter

Subject:RE: Acid+Reason=Cubase?

Reply by: mortalengines

Date:11/27/2003 12:39:59 PM

I never even tried to use Cubase - I got a free demo -Cubasis- bundled with my sound card & it was such a pain in the ass to get even one loop going properly that i just gave up & loaded the acid demo the next day & never looked back- I have found that, with patience, I have been able to work around just about any limitation or problem that exists in acid-

Subject:RE: Acid+Reason=Cubase?

Reply by: ATP

Date:11/27/2003 1:57:58 PM

well, that's a clear statement.

i don't doubt that the developers have given much thought to what would be the most technically feasible(sp?) usage of ACID as a Slave app, so i respect this decision. even while it might be less intuitive or practical to work with. and now that i know VSTi is absolutely out of the question i can stop whining about it. ;)

ACID as a Rewire Slave it is, then.

Subject:RE: Acid+Reason=Cubase?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:11/27/2003 7:30:43 PM

I don't understand how working with ACID as a VSTi would be feasible or make work flow easy. I read you description of what you want to do on another thread here, and ACID just doesn't have that model or approach. ACID is a sequencer, not an instrument.

We are always looking at new ways to leverage our products to a broader market, but the ACID as an instrument approach is just a different beast and tool.

Also, while ACID as a ReWire slave is a good application for ACID, don't interpret this as something that will or wont happen.

Peter