Subject:Fx send 1 for fx 1 ? / feedback loops

Posted by: Nechromatic

Date:10/13/2003 5:03:56 AM

i work as a live sound engineer and have my rack n mixer set up like this:

ill use aux send 1 to send a channel's signal to the external fx unit,
then i have the output of the fx unit connect to the input of channel 16...

now ... obviously : if i turn up the aux send 1 for channel 16 the wet signal is send back to the effects unit, and from there it goes back thru the aux send to the unit and on and on and on... thus creating a "feedback loop" ... which i use for weird delay effects n stuff
(the neat thing is that you can play with the eq for channel 16, thus affecting both the aux send and the way channel 16 sounds as a whole...you know what i mean).

now i know that this is a very common approach in live mixing but

im wondering ... is there a way i can use a similar setup in acid (usin envelopes)

to sum it up: does acid allow me to somehow set up a "fx send 1" envelope for fx 1 ?


anybody?

Subject:RE: Fx send 1 for fx 1 ? / feedback loops

Reply by: marcarotsky

Date:10/13/2003 10:47:48 AM

yes...if you insert an fx bus (no matter what it may be, dleay, echo, compressor....etc....etc) on any track or the main mix...you can envelope assign anything. just right click on the track and click on "insert envelope" and obviously, choose the envelope assignment you want to adjust.
hope that helps.
--marc

Subject:RE: Fx send 1 for fx 1 ? / feedback loops

Reply by: Nechromatic

Date:10/14/2003 8:27:46 AM

yeah well...tried that already...i can only assign vol and pan to fx send 1 ... which update allows me to choose fx send 1 envelope for fx 1 ?!

Subject:RE: Fx send 1 for fx 1 ? / feedback loops

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:10/14/2003 11:52:49 AM

I'm not sure if this will help, but what if you tried sending the FX through to a specific hardware output on a bus?

The only way ACID will listen to input is when you record (the Mixer in ACID is used mainly to send signals out, not in), so there's really no way of creating a feedback loop in ACID itself...at least not that I know of.

HTH,
Iacobus
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mD's ACIDplanet Page

Subject:RE: Fx send 1 for fx 1 ? / feedback loops

Reply by: marcarotsky

Date:10/14/2003 1:05:56 PM

you need to right click on the track and insert then envelope. if im still understanding you correctly...you can add any # of effects to any # of tracks. either through a "insert bus" or through envelopes. maybe im just not explaining it correctly....??? when you insert an fx at track level (as oppose to inserting a bus" you need to choose what that effect will be, than you will be able to choose an envelope for it
any better? :-( sorry...im trying!
--marc

Subject:RE: Fx send 1 for fx 1 ? / feedback loops

Reply by: Nechromatic

Date:10/15/2003 8:46:09 AM

yeah... i know i can use insert fx on tracks, as well as send fx ... but both wont allow me to feed the fx output back to the input...

look here im talking about a signal flow that goes like this:

(my hardware mixer setup)

[CH1]
[aux 1] o__________________> in [FX UNIT] out o__________>in [CH 16]
......................................................^________________________o [ aux 1]

(ps sorry, only the bold lines count, not the dots...had to do it this way so itll show up correctly here)

(aux send 1 volumes can be set separately for all the channels
(master-)aux send 1 is connected to the input of the fx unit...
output of the fx unit is connected to the input for channel 16....)

when i right click on bus tracks, it will only let me insert vol / pan envelopes ...

Subject:RE: Fx send 1 for fx 1 ? / feedback loops

Reply by: marcarotsky

Date:10/15/2003 12:06:17 PM

i apologize....but i have no answer! :-( i was mis interpreting what you were trying to do!

mD....any ideas???

Subject:RE: Fx send 1 for fx 1 ? / feedback loops

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:10/15/2003 2:28:33 PM

You have to insert a Bus FX if you expect to work with FX envelopes in the bus tracks view. (Click the Bus FX button immediately underneath the Bus label in the Mixer and add your FX.)

However, as I've said before, you cannot loop the output back to input in ACID's Mixer itself.

Maybe if you route the Bus directly to a hardware output and then use a chosen input for recording? (The input would be at the end of the chain as you've described.)

HTH,
Iacobus
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RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid
mD's ACIDplanet Page

Subject:RE: Fx send 1 for fx 1 ? / feedback loops

Reply by: pwppch

Date:10/15/2003 9:19:19 PM

So, you want to bus the output of the FX back into itself through another track/bus?

You can't do this in ACID.

Peter

Subject:RE: Fx send 1 for fx 1 ? / feedback loops

Reply by: Nechromatic

Date:10/16/2003 2:53:22 AM

ok welll...too bad :)

ill have to do this with external effects then, huh...

ok thanks anyways :)