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Subject:Compressor/Limiter Question
Posted by: bflat
Date:9/15/2003 8:12:55 PM
I have a decent pre-amp, but still when I record my guitar, I'll have a peak or two that are too high and distorts. Can I use the built-in Acid compresser (effects chain) to help me with this, or do I need to plug my guitar into a compressor/limiter before the signal his the sound card/computer? |
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Subject:RE: Compressor/Limiter Question
Reply by: Jessariah
Date:9/15/2003 10:16:36 PM
Once the distortion prints, you're stuck with it. The clipped peak removal plugin might help, but you're still dealing with a fried sample. An outboard comp/limiter is still a safe bet. You don't even have to have anything fancy. Once it hits your hard drive, there's only so much you can do with it. Real buttons still have a place in this digital world... JMHO |
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Subject:yeah ... why no plugins while recording
Reply by: Nechromatic
Date:10/7/2003 6:09:32 AM
yeah well this is one thing i have also been wondering about.. why is it not possible to use plug ins while recording? is this a technical problem? i mean if the input was routed thru the plug and from there to the harddrive / output ... this should work this would for example make vocal recording much more comfortable since you could hear yourself better in the headphones ... (assuming i have NO outboard gear) |
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Subject:RE: yeah ... why no plugins while recording
Reply by: Waskel
Date:10/7/2003 9:11:33 AM
Because clipping can occur at the input (sound card) before it ever gets processed. I don't have an outboard comp/limiter, I record at safe levels, apply limiting, then apply gain. You can do a lot more with a track that's recorded at a low level than a great take with 1 or 2 clips which you can't really do much to make sound acceptable. (Tip... be careful with compression, a little goes a long way - I've squashed the life out of songs without realizing it. Try a little, step back and listen to the whole mix, then adjust to taste!) |
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Subject:RE: yeah ... why no plugins while recording
Reply by: Nechromatic
Date:10/7/2003 9:45:00 AM
yeah i know ... if the signal is clipping before the input, it will never take that away. but still i mean read what i said about vocal recording...there would be several uses for an after-input-before-hd compressor or whatever plug |
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Subject:RE: yeah ... why no plugins while recording
Reply by: Waskel
Date:10/7/2003 10:49:11 AM
Hmmm... while I can't think of any need for a plug-in at that point (but please! if you have some ideas, I'd be interested to hear them, just because I can't think of one just means I can't think of one!), it would be great if there was some kind of loopback to boost the monitor volume of the track you're recording, especially for vocals. Not neccessarily to effect the track itself, but to make monitoring easier while recording. What I do now is go in through my mixer, mute the track I'm recording and mix the rest back to the control room side of my mixer. Confusing and prone to forgetfulness at best. |
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Subject:RE: yeah ... why no plugins while recording
Reply by: marcarotsky
Date:10/7/2003 12:21:47 PM
while you are right on the fact you cant do "real time" plug ins while recording, the need is DEFINITELY THERE!!! HINT HINT.....ACID DEVELOPERS!!! :-) i have found some tricks though... 1. record as low as possible. you can always make low levels sound better, cant make clipped and distorted levels sound better!! (well, to apoint) 2. your sound card plays a HUUUUUGE factor in recording. also, the driver that you are using. if you are using a "Stock" sound blaster or something to that effect, do not expect recording at a pro level!! ** if you are serious about your recording, i bought this about 5 months ago, and its AMAZING!!! http://www.m-audio.com/products/m-audio/fw410.php check out that site. MUCH better and develpoed for recording and PRO sound!! |
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Subject:RE: yeah ... why no plugins while recording
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:10/7/2003 1:34:35 PM
It could work. Vegas has input monitoring, for example. However, due to the processing overhead required, you have to use the ASIO driver model for its low latency and have a rather speedy system to boot. Otherwise, things can go to hell in a handbasket in a hurry. Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page |
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Subject:RE: yeah ... why no plugins while recording
Reply by: Waskel
Date:10/7/2003 2:31:24 PM
Help me here. What would you use real time plug-ins for, given the overhead cost, that you can't (or wouldn't rather) do post-recording? |
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Subject:RE: yeah ... why no plugins while recording
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:10/8/2003 2:17:39 PM
Personally, I would do anything external if possible, just so ACID can concentrate on playback. If that wasn't possible, I'd adjust the plug-in to my taste and render the effect along with the loop. I guess some users like the idea of real-time effects in the host app just so they have it all in one place? (Kinda like how people who use a software-based synth like Reason don't have to bother with hardware.) Iacobus ------- RodelWorks - Original Music for the Unafraid mD's ACIDplanet Page |